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In Reply to: RE: first man the film, much better than reviewed posted by beach cruiser on January 13, 2019 at 03:52:20
It is the emotional journey of a man surrounded by death and the impact on his marriage and family. After I saw it, I couldn't figure out how anyone could see this film and complain that they left the planting of the flag out.
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Armsong never talked about his ten minute walk off schedule on the moon. His sister, who knew him best ,said she would like to think he left something from his little girl on the moon, so they put that in the movie.
Nobody really knows, because he never explained his very unusual decision to go off the clock while on moon duty.
I was also puzzled about the extreme right wing wanting to limit attendance to this film. Maybe too much science? I don't think they are fans of the independent thinking required for science, perhaps that was the reason the grape line was alerted. Who knows, tell those guys they are butt hurt unjustly by society, or whatever, in this case, a film, and they all start yelling.
wanted to limit attendance? I think there was a lot of hub-bub about no flag planting.
What I find interesting is their news conference where they were non-responsive and appeared to be ashamed.
Was it . . .
1. they really didn't go (why risk failure in the midst of the Cold War?)
2. they weren't the FIRST to land (a before mission to be sure they could)
3. they saw or experienced something profound and classified (UFO's)
...or is that a parrott in your pocket?
I listen to a lot of radio, and read the news, both media where the flag thing got some run,as news, when the movie was in general release,
but I first heard that all good right wingers shouldn't attend this movie, from, of all places, a car forum.
It seems there are a lot of angry white guys driving corvettes .
A lot of southern corvette guys post that identify as very right wing. I wade through post after post seeking knowledge to better steward my car among folks that act like it is a patriotic duty to rip off all smog controls, install headers, supercharger and a mail order tune.
If you want to know where to best place your handgun(s) in the limited space of a corvette interior , or change a C5 alternator, both surprisingly difficult, I read it on line. Just like the anti first man movie stuff.
For instance, one guy posted a multi day elaborate photo instruction of his engine valve train upgrade and supercharger installation, all done with a .38 on his belt, cause you never know when the bad guys will show up. I've been to texas, so wasn't shocked,
I am, however, surprised at some of the effort they expend on cars without much interest in body and mind health. A lot of retribution, fears they can't control and a strict father seems to be a common deal among some who DIY on corvettes.
It's not a bad car, just has a bad rep.
Since I am on the subject, I think the problem some saw in the movie was that it showed government as being able to solve problems, useful. Government protective and police functions are the only control on the rich, so government must be attacked.
I know *alot* of 'Vette drivers who are not on forums, or join clubs etc...or have carry permits. They just like the car. Many like diy maintenance and upgrades. Don't extrapolate from a small sample size. Are all BMW drivers effete a'holes ? No.
As to " the movie was that it showed government as being able to solve problems, useful." I am not so sure. I think it showed what can be accomplished when we are truly unified as a nation and culture- all working to achieve a common goal. We were about 1/2 way through the Cold War in 1969, worried that the Commies would beat us to the Moon (they almost did- an accident halted their program which was about 18mos ahead of ours at the time), and saw our Moon landing as validation of the American way of life. That may be why the Planting of the US Flag is so symbolic, and important. An example of what a nation can accomplish when focused on something that benefits all.
Unification is scary to some people. The right is fearful because some groups may loose attention. The left because after unification, individual groups no longer fight each other and are free to coalesce around something else....like fighting a deep state trying to control everything.
I don't know a lot of corvette owners, myself and a buddy who has a 64 who doesn't drive it much. He got it years ago when they were cheap, and his example was cheaper still, because someone added some real ungainly fender flares.
The guy enjoys being cheap, a weird combo for a guy with a small car collection. He has a couple of good ones, bought back in the sixties when they were cheap, but the rest, forget it, most sit outside in his renters back yard.
his latest buy is a ford galaxy 500 from the sixties, a true yank tank , with bad paint and interior, but with an interesting to him ,option package.
THis is a guy who complains about buying a windshield wiper. His wife did a little complaining also, when she saw he had bought another car that he plans to fix up, one of these days.
As one who, I assume, doesn't go read corvette forums, it might be you with the small sample size, or I also could just have fallen into unique site. But I don't think I am far off , since I have frequented that site, and other corvette sites, off and on, for years.
I think every adult on this forum already knows one can't accurately paint people with a broad brush, but entertainment will often cast, understandably, a broader net.
I hope I have answered you objection. My writing style might not be prize winning, but I am honest, and try to contribute in a positive manner.
I agree the flag on the moon is symbolic and historic, who wouldn't, but it is not important to this movie.
As I mentioned in my review, it was not a space epic. Flying around with gritted teeth and planting flags as the music swells , is not what this movie is about. It is a story of a personal journey, of both the man and his wife, set against the death and dangers of space exploration.
Watch the film, you will see what I mean, try for the best presentation available, if you are a real fan of flying machines.
I am, you didn't have to explain to me the opening shot was the interior cockpit of an X15, I was thrilled at the opening, from pictures I knew instantly. I even built a plastic X!5 model as a child. I think I saw one hanging in the national museum, but that was it. Wait, I just remembered I had X15 shoes as a kid, a sears exclusive, with a space age bonded sole.
One of the guys who posted that he saw the film in Imax, made me a touch jealous, for a moment, you only have one first time, and I really dig that flight exploration kind of stuff and a story well told.
I once drove from the east coast of Florida to the other side of the state to see a space shuttle blast off. It took an early start, which was a shock, I was a sailor off the ships and used to sleeping late , I almost cancelled my plans, a couple of times as i was trying to rip myself out of a comfortable bed to go drive across state for about a minute of a rocket launch. I need a lot of sleep.
It was very worth it, and Florida is so flat that once you hit the bee line highway, it is just that, a bee line highway. Easy fast driving.
I did see an old lady in a beige K car, get startled by a car that merged in next to her, jerk the wheel, and put her k car sideways up on two wheels, balanced , like a stunt driver, and went down the road like that for good couple of moments, than it returned to normal, rubber side down, shiny side up. Just a highlight, I digress.
If people want a film about planting the flag on the moon, they are certainly free to make one.
It might take some doing to beat this one as a film. Good luck. it is tough not to fail at movie making, think of all the dreck released . You get a good one about the first man on the moon, and some complain.
Complaining is easy, and in this case, I am sure a lot of people who never saw the film were glad to get all butt hurt over it, and probably stay that way until they die, or see the film.
Takes all kinds to make a world , I am grateful about a lot of things in it. As the man said, if you can control a situation, no reason to waste time worrying about it. If you can't control the situation, the same is true.
I buys me ticket and takes me chances, just like popeye, without fear.
and have been around both all of my life. I think my exposure level would be considered more than a small sample size.
A few questions: Do you know what the "Birthday Party" is in this context ? Do you know where and when it is held ?
The movie depicts the existential anxiety felt by the Apollo participants, focusing on Neil Armstrong. His personal story and sacrifices are used as a metaphor for what the nation as a whole endured. 2.5yrs before 7/69 we lost 3 men on the launchpad...everyone knew what was at stake, and there were more than a few informed observers who felt the mission could end in spectacular failure. Imagine the collective feeling of an entire nation watching the mission in real time, knowing it could end in a split second, and realizing there was not a damn thing anyone could do. Everyone was invested in this mission, from the crew and their families, everyone in mission control, down to the man on the street. These guys were heroes. Every boy wanted to grow up to be an astronaut, every woman wanted to sleep with them. Planting the Flag was validation for the sacrifices. It wasn't xenophobia, white supremacy etc. It was a symbol of what a united society could accomplish if deeply committed.
That said- given your wonder at the nature of flight, did you every see or read "The Right Stuff" ?
...maybe "conservative" equates to "right wing" in some quarters. At any rate a few of the talking hosts did indeed suggest that loyal listeners boycott the film as a protest to the perceived disrespect.
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