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Just another round in the HD DVD vs Blu-Ray wars here folks ;-)
It's not clear if existing players would be capable of playing the new triple-layer media.
Where this could get interesting is if it means cheaper movies because of the fewer disks needed, or cheaper HD DVD/DVD hybrids: The current ~$5 premium for hybrids is kind of a pain and too pricey to be offered as the ONLY DVD release.
- http://www.screendigest.com/online_services/intelligence/video_and_dvd/updates/vi-060907-ec3/show (Open in New Window)
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That and the development cycle needed to bring replication plants up to speed. Maybe 2 years (if ever) before you see product ?
This doesn't solve the bandwidth limitation issue either which will probably stop HD DVD from combining reference quality high def video with 5.1 24.96 lossless audio tracks.
50 gigabytes HD DVD, 50 gigabyte Blu-Ray; it doesn't really matter to anyone except some marketing types. The bandwidth issue is a red herring, because you can get around that with lossless compression schemes like TrueHD. And your chances of encountering TrueHD on an HD DVD movie are actually pretty good, since mandatory support for same is part of the basic spec.
What's far more important than these technical tidbits is that you get movies you want to watch, and the transfer/restoration work is good.
In contrast to 80% of Blu-Ray movies. Let's see if this trend continues....
And yes, Universal et al need to do a better job with transfer/restoration work.
It's not compressed, but without further info, we really don't know what the quality is.
Assuming they had 24 bit masters in the first place. I want "lossless" on all the releases, and this means "true to the original master audio tape" when the bits arrive at the DAC. Anything else is unacceptable because the Blu-ray format allows a master audio tape combined with near-reference quality hi-def video in almost every case.
Which is surprising considering 60% of BDs are BD-25s, and 50% use MPEG2.
Jack
Depending on which specific audio track, not very many from what I've been reading on other forums.
Are you going to use the 5.1 outputs from your source player or from your Receiver or Preamp/processor ?
If you are planning to use the 5.1 analog outputs from your source player, you need to make sure the player can decode the audio tracks you want (e.g. TrueHD, DTS HD MA (not to be confused with DTS HD)). And be sure your receiver has 5.1 analog bypass.
If you want the Receiver to do the 5.1 analog outputs, you will need to send the digital audio over HDMI. Does your source player send bitstream and/or PCM over HDMI ? Does your receiver accept bitstream/PCM ? Does either and/or both decode TrueHD or DTS HD MA properly ?
I think too many people do not realize you cannot get 5.1 lossless audio over coax/optical.
Read through the avsforum's audio section for amps, receivers, and processors.
There appear to be lots of issues for handshaking the audio between the player and amps regardless what they are capable of decoding!
Perhaps easier said than done. As Jack G suggested, one "easy" way out is get a player with analog out and will decode everything. The downside to this you probably won't have any kind of bass management (or limited at best), time alignment, subsonic filtering, 5.1/7.1 speaker "remapping" or other goodies you might want in a processor. You'd also want very good DACs of the kind typically only found in Receivers or Pre/pros.
No handshake issues at all.
Jack
Perhaps in the future at a better price.
Perhaps, but they are all complete. Right now, you can get all 3 second gen players, plus both of the first gen(but you have to look harder), and you can order 1 of the third gen. players. That's 6 plus the XBOX add-on, all of which meet specs. How many BD players are there?
If you include first gen, you have 2 Sonys, 2 sammys, 1 panny(10 and 10A are the same except for FW), 1 pioneer, plus the PS3. All of which will be obsolete November 1. Yea, thats a whole lot more isn't it?
There's also the dual players.
Jack
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And it showed on some of the early Blu-ray releases. Storage capacity limitations probably kept the video bitrates low for the 25G (and will continue to do so if Warner's continues to put Blu-ray stuff on 25G disks). Issue mostly disappeared with 50G disks.
According to Amir M., but it'll need a FW update.
As I said before, I couldn't care less about an HD-51.
Jack
We probably won't see many or any movies on a 51 Gig HD DVD for a long time, if ever. They will play on all gear, after a FW update. Pewrsonally I don't care. They may also be as difficult to make as BD-50s.
What's far more important, is the TL HD DVD/DVD discs. If the HD DVD studios really want HD to get ahead, and that a big if, what they will need to do is stop putting out DVDs, and put out only HD DVD/DVD hybrids. They are doing that with the Star Trek box, but if they do it with current releases, they will have their "Trojan Horse", with millions of software buyers out there.
JackEDIT: It may also be a way to try to woo Disney to go neutral.
Our take...
The approval of Toshiba's 51 GB disc is good news for the HD DVD camp, allowing it to compete directly with rival Blu-ray Disc's (BD) dual-layer 50 GB disc. As with the BD50, it is likely to take some time for production yields to reach a commercially viable level. However, once this has been achieved it will arguably eliminate one of the principle reasons behind some studios' support of Blu-ray over HD DVD, thus potentially making it easier for Disney or Fox to adopt a format-agnostic position without losing face. Meanwhile, the development of a triple-layer single-sided hybrid HD DVD/DVD disc will also be welcomed by HD DVD supporters. Both Warner and Universal have been releasing double-sided hybrids in the US for some time but they have yet to use this approach in Europe. Single-sided hybrids (sometimes called 'twin format' discs) offer the sam
No, that hasn't been used on a commercial BD release, but the capacity is there. The 51 GB HD DVD hasn't been implemented either. So it looks like HD DVD is only 150 gigs behind blu-ray at this point.
You guys should really dig deeper than the HD DVD camp's troll du jour.
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