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In Reply to: RE: Blu-Ray revisions explained [ultimateavmag.com] posted by 4season on September 21, 2007 at 11:26:23
I don't know how many HD DVD adopters use "picture in picture" and "interactivity features" but I buy movies to watch movies. Even if my Blu-ray discs provided those things (and I am pretty sure the PS3 will with future firmware updates--something the writer completely neglects to discuss in his zeal to criticize PS3 picture quality), I dont see myself using it. Do the HD DVD guys use it? I doubt it. How much time do people have? I can't even make it through the bonus features on my BDs. A two-hour movie in 1080p with LPCM is plenty of value for my $20.
The writer talks about BD 2.0 adding networking capability, but I've had my BD player hooked up to the network for months. I'm sure the PS3 isn't the only one that has network connectivity, so essentially the issue is firmware. As we all know, firmware is downloadable and companies frequently issue updates on all manner of products.
This is a total nonissue. The only criticism I've had with these subsequent "versions" of BD is that they've delayed release of several titles I'd be more than happy to own without the added features.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
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If you read the article carefully, you'd notice that the article mentions how Pixar and others have kludged those fancy features into Blu-Ray 1.0--by including a complete second video track! I wonder if they need to use lossy compression to make it all fit? Kind of a waste to have 50 gigabyte media and just waste the space in this way, I think.
And FWIW, I do watch most of the bonus features. Some are just boring filler and kissing-up, but some, like the mini documentary of Terry Gilliam making "12 Monkeys" are pretty darned good glimpses of the director's state of mind. And in the non high-def world, Criterion is famous for the quality and depth of their extras.
Speaking of much ado about nothing:
> > I can't even make it through the bonus features on my BDs. < <
Given this admission, I do wonder why you've made such a huge stink about how important it is that BluRay can fit a long movie and bonus features all on one disc.
Bonus features had little to do with my argument. Quality had everything to do with it, especially audio quality. Which supposedly is the reason we all came to this asylum in the first place.
Lossless PCM 5.1 tracks don't fit on most HD DVDs. That should bother you. Why doesn't it?
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
> > Bonus features had little to do with my argument. Quality had everything to do with it < <
Actually, the last time you mentioned this issue, bonus features had EVERYTHING to do with your "argument."
What you wrote was:
> > I think the fact that a two-disc set required for HD DVD provides the same content as a one disc on Blu-ray makes the point regardless. < <
This statement of yours was specifically in response to the comment that a particular two-disc HD DVD set had the movie on Disc 1, and bonus material on Disc 2. You didn't say anything about quality. It was all about quantity.
> > That should bother you. Why doesn't it? < <
LOL! Jazz, when you argue, you manage to repeatedly commit nearly every known logical fallacy. This one is known as the "straw man fallacy."
> > I think the fact that a two-disc set required for HD DVD provides the same content as a one disc on Blu-ray makes the point regardless. < <
That quote doesn't mention bonus material at all. You appear to be trying to convince me that I really do care about bonus features. But I don't. I care about quality in the context of disc capacity. Are you trying to catch me in a "lie"? The least you could do is find a quote of mine where I actually discuss supplementary material.
Do you want greater disc capacity or not? It's a simple question. At the end of your post you seem to indicate you do care about 5.1 LPCM...which means you would want the disc capacity to include it. I mean, either you care about that, or you don't. Those are the only two positions to take.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
> > That quote doesn't mention bonus material at all. < <That's right, genius. As I mentioned, it was in response to a post about bonus material. It's all about the context in which the statement was made. If you choose to deny that, you only make yourself look bad.
> > You appear to be trying to convince me that I really do care about bonus features. < <
Once again, you read something and fail to comprehend.
I'm not trying to convince you of anything. That would be a complete waste of my time, as you have already demonstrated on multiple occasions. I'm merely pointing out your hypocrisy and inconsistency. I don't expect you to see it, because I don't think you can. I'm just amusing myself at your expense. :-)
> > either you care about that, or you don't. Those are the only two positions to take. < <
Perhaps that's true in your narrow little world. My horizons are somewhat broader than yours.
Happy Autumnal Equinox, Jazz!
> > That's right, genius. As I mentioned, it was in response to a post about bonus material. < <No, it was part of a thread about--that's right--the fact that blu-ray's disc capacity provides significant advantages. In my post you quote my point was that the contents of a blu-ray had to be split across two HD DVDs. The issue of supplementary content was peripheral to my point.
> > It's all about the context in which the statement was made. If you choose to deny that, you only make yourself look bad. < <
Yep, and in this case you badly misinterpreted the context and made yourself look bad.
> > Once again, you read something and fail to comprehend. I'm not trying to convince you of anything. < <
Sure seemed like you were.
> > I'm merely pointing out your hypocrisy and inconsistency. < <
See, I knew you were trying to convince me of something. Thank goodness we have you here to keep such close tabs on me. I'm sure the community and moderators are all very impressed with your fine work.
> > I> > either you care about that, or you don't. Those are the only two positions to take. < <
Perhaps that's true in your narrow little world. My horizons are somewhat broader than yours. < <Our respective views have nothing to do with this. Blu-ray provides several gigs more storage capacity than HD DVD. That's just a fact. You can make insulting little comments and refuse to communicate what's important to you about these formats all you like, but the facts will not change.
> > Happy Autumnal Equinox, Jazz! < <
It's Yom Kippur.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
You crack me up! Keep fighting the good fight! Maybe one day all of us heathens will Believe like you do!
> > It's Yom Kippur. < <
Actually, it's Ramadan.
> > Keep fighting the good fight! Maybe one day all of us heathens will Believe like you do! < <
Not sure what you're talking about or why you're getting sarcastic. Blu-ray Disc has the advantage in maximum disc capacity with 50 GB over HD DVD's 30 GB. If you don't believe it you're sticking your head in the sand. Simple as that.
> > It's Yom Kippur. < <
Actually, it's Ramadan. < <
Ah, no wonder you're angry.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
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