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In Reply to: RE: It's Up To Fox To Test It?? posted by Robertc88 on October 05, 2007 at 06:35:21
How hard could it be? There's less than a dozen players out there. If there are problems, as you say, they should be dealt with *before* they hit the customers. This isn't a production error (ie bad discs), its a software incompatibility, something thats easy to check.
Jack
Follow Ups:
is why you don't just stick with HD DVD, since all you do with Blu-ray is complain. [counter-productive]
Instead of badmouthing Blu-ray, let everyone know about the virtues of HD DVD and why you're happy with the format. [productive]
Seriously, re: Blu-ray, there's more whine with you than the Napa Vally...
It is very annoying to have two formats trying to be the same thing to the same market, and I think that is where some of the frustration arises. But out of the dozens of Blu-rays, to complain about two new ones that he probably has no intention of ever even buying...well...
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
I did buy silver surfer, and and no, it doesn't play on my 1200. WHY ELSE WOULD I BE COMPLAINING ABOUT IT? Out of 11 Blu-ray discs I own, 3 have lip sinc issues, 2 of those also freeze up, and 2 won't play at all. 5 discs with issues, out of 11? that's 45% error rate. I don't know a a FW update will fix most of these-only 1 is the recent problem. I never had this much problem with my A1.
You really are clueless.
JackEdit: I've been pretty tolerant of my 1200's problems overall, but this (silver surfer) issue has pushed me over the edge of tolerance-perhaps because it could have been easily prevented.
Never saw it. Never will, if I'm lucky. That doesn't work, so you cancel your order for Oldboy, which isn't even from the same studio?
What titles have lip sync or freezing issues?
You might want to try all those "error" BDs on a different player before you write off the format.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
I bought SS for my wife really.
lip sync:
A vs P (horrid movie)-also Froze up
Ghost rider-also froze up
Underworld
With the lip synch, it was fixed usually by pausing the movie, or switching to DD+ (Underworld pause didn't help)
after the discussion a few pages back about RE2 selling well,I got it out of curiosity. It won't play past the menu.
I did manage to get through:
Warriors of Heaven and Earth
Curse of the golden flower
Premonition
Speed
I did had a minor pause with Fifth Element, but not a big deal
Jack
HDMI has treated me okay to date, but my whole system is HDMI 1.3, the cable runs are short, and the Playstation 3 has far more computing horsepower than it strictly needs for mere Blu-Ray playback. I also don't think I've yet encountered uncompressed 24/96 lossless audio which ought to use up some real bandwidth.
The problem discs have specific spots, and its repeatable, and in the case of Silver Surfer-its a known problem. I never had HDMI problems before, and I use analog out for audio.
Jack
And is the firmware on your PS3 up to date? You'll need 1.90 to not experience audio dropouts. The video was fine.
I thought it may have been an HDMI handshake issue for the audio with these new BDs but it drops out over optical also without 1.90 firmware.
Dang Audio dropouts though. Dealer told me they had tried it out and the disc "played", silly me for assuming they bothered to listen to the audio. Hopefully, I can download the firmware fix within days... I can confirm the audio dropouts over optical. With PCM through the analog outputs I got all sorts of bleeps, tones, etc in addition to the dropouts in lieu of movie soundtracks.
you might want to stay away from Samsung and LG with regard to electronics purchases. That's not to say other manufacturers don't have their occassional problems, but these two generally have more compatibility/standards problems than Japanese or American electronics manufacturers.
I'm going to see how this upgrade is handled. I canceled my Oldboy order, since I don't know if future discs will be playable yet. Despite my dislike for the way the BDA does things, I do like owning both formats. It is still possible, that down the road (when I calm down a bit)I will replace my 1200 but it will have to be a 1.1 complaint at least. The funny thing is, that the 1200 really is a very good DVD player. No more REON chips in future generations.
Jack
I have three issues with the PS3:
#1 DTS-HD Master Audio
The PS3 has more than enough horsepower to decode DTS-HD MA, but it's not a SCEA priority at the moment. Right now they're working on Profile 1.1/2.0 capabilities and that's the next "big step" for the PS3. I'm guessing it will be the highly anticipated 2.0 firmware update (not a small point-this or point-that update, maybe around December or January). Once they get that out of the way, they'll see if there're horses left over for DTS-HD MA decoding.
#2 Video levels
Because it's software driven, firmware updates have seen the player go through an on-again off-again ability to properly pass digital video levels 1-15 and 236-254 via an HDMI-DVI path. There's only one way to properly display video and SCEA needs to make sure that it stays put. Right now (v1.93), the PS3 is in the "not-put" position.
#3 Denon DVD-3800BDCI
Based on the info that has been released, this will be the best Blu-ray/DVD player available. Yes, $2000 is rather steep, but Denon doesn't fuck around when it comes to audio and video quality.
I only have 11 discs (one unwatched), and none on pre-order. I haven't even gotten my 5 freebies yet.
Jack
I have no complaints at all with my Blu-ray player ... and frankly I just don't have the time to wait for an HD-DVD player to start up.
Prehistoric 4-Channel Lizard
There are several issues going on here, including regional, firmware, and we are not much more than a year into BD rollout. Early adoption in the digital age is always problematic. This is hardly unique to blu-ray. The glitches you're talking about are fairly minor and analogous to similar problems in the rollout of other digital products, from Windows operating systems to cell phones to SACD. Those of us who adopted flagship SACD products were cut out of multichannel. There's nothing mysterious, sinister or even wrong with any of this.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
You know, if it was a defective disc due to a problem pressing them, I could see it, but that's not the case. This is strictly a software issue. You don't put out software that won't work on machines known to already be out in the field.
Is the BDA so disorganized, that as a group they are functionally retarded?
I am so tired of Blu-fan boys defending this incompetence.
This is clearly a case where the discs were rushed to market before they were ready. It wouldn't have been hard to do some QC on the movies with so few players out there. There is no excuse.
Jack
It's more likely the fault of the players not being enabled to properly play/process what's on the disc (which implement known Blu-ray format features, security, capabilities, etc) because the hardware manufacturers didn't "turn on" these capabilities early enough. If they weren't known Blu-ray format features, security, capabilities, etc, then neither LG nor Samsung would be providing updates for something that the format isn't supposed to support.
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But is it the job of FOX to play nursemaid to Samsung and LG? The fact that LG said they'd have a firmware udate in a few days should tell you something (ie, all manufacturers need to get off of their collective asses and keep their players up-to-date).
FOX has been more willing to give its customers advanced features and use the latest technology than other studios. They're ahead of the curve and because of that some hardware manufacturers are going to have problems.
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