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In Reply to: RE: posted by Jack G on November 25, 2007 at 07:47:40
People who buy USD 99 players do not buy many USD 25 movies.
And the people, who can afford a HDTV, they can also afford a Blu Ray player.
PS3 wins the game :-), also because 10 million Blu Ray drives gives quantity prices on drives.
latest Nielsen numbers in link
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with all those BD players out there, that's the best you can do? There's at least 8 times as many players out there, and that's the best BD can do, including BOGO sales. That's pretty sad. Sony should be embarassed.
That would explain Stringer's lastest comments. Can you say niche product?
Jack
If you see a better way to market blu-ray, I'd love to hear it. HD DVD has much better name recognition, better prices on hardware and far poorer sales.
Yet you bash blu-ray rather than hd dvd for not having better sales. Spin much?
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
If you look through my older posts, you'll see I've always said that I expect both formats to be niche products. The masses just don't care. I don't have a problem with that. OTOH, if one format becomes mainstream, I'm fine with that too. Unlike you, I own and support both formats.
As for HD DVD sales, they seem to be OK, considering that Sony expected to have killed the format by now. Now they are talking stalemate.
Interesting times.
Jack
That's not spinning. It's a serious concern that goes right to the issue of limiting returns on content and quality (unlike your criticisms of Blu-ray).
By the way, PS3 games are Blu-ray too. You seem to think only movies are.
Can you provide the source for your comment that "Sony expected to have killed HD DVD by now. Now they are talking stalemate". That's a new one. Only one executive made idiotic claims like those and Microsoft fired him. Today, the BDA announced greater than 75% market share in Europe. That doesn't seem like stalemate to me, but put your best spin on it and maybe you can ignore the numbers a bit longer.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
The European HD DVD Promotional Group has released some attach rate figures, and it's very good news for HD DVD.
European HD DVD owners have purchased an average of 3.8 movies, compared to 0.6 movies for European Blu Ray player owners. The highest attach rate came from Spain, where HD DVD owners purchased 5.7 movies per player, in contrast to 0.4 for Spanish Blu Ray owners. Italy boasts a 4.4 movie/player rate for HD DVD, 0.4 for Blu Ray. French owners bought 5 movies each, 0.6 for Blu Ray. German HD DVD owners bought 2.9 movies/player, German Blu Ray owners 0.6, and UK owners took home 3.7 HD DVD movies per player compared to 0.8 for Blu Ray.
Attach rates don't tell the whole story, but they are an indicator of healthy demand. Player sales are important, but players are sold to move discs, and the numbers for HD DVD coming out of Europe are very encouraging for HD DVD.
Jack
> > > That's not spinning. It's a serious concern that goes right to the issue of limiting returns on content and quality < < <
That's like saying CDs sound better than LPs because they can hold more music. Remember, 53% of BDs, including recent releases, are on BD-25s.
Jack
... available to the current HD formats. Unfortunately, niche status is probably not what the BDA, Toshiba, and the movie studios had in mind.
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