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In Reply to: RE: Latest USA movie numbers show HD DVD losing share posted by Ole Lund Christensen on November 29, 2007 at 07:13:54
We understand you prefer blu-ray.
Your obsession with blu-ray has undermined the value of your posts.
Please move on.
Follow Ups:
Shooting at the messenger does not help you :-)
If you do not like my post, then I suggest, that you do not read them.
I asked him pretty much the same question last week or so. Maybe if he also came on talking about "this great TV he saw" or...? Get's boring real fast. This is a forum to discuss things, hopefully not boringly posting the same axe to grind over and over. Almost makes me want to buy an HD DVD player. :)
Fanboy . See also "Jazz Inmate"
Someone who pretends capacity isn't important in HD media.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
... while humbugging happy folks who are satisfied with a cup that's more than half full. ;0)
AuPh
You can be satisfied with a diet of twinkies and burger king. It doesn't mean it's good for you.
I'm glad you're getting enjoyment out of HD DVDs, but the fact is that the other format is superior.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
the only controversy is how thes "advantages" translate to the real world. blu-ray has 50-60% advantage in both audio/video bitrate capacity (48 vs. 30 mbs) and storage capacity (50G vs. 30G) which can effect PQ/SQ quality but plenty of folks (probably mainly those with vested interests in HD-DVD) question whether the spec advantages translate into "practical" advantages.
OTOH, Toshiba's apparent marketing strategy means minimal (zero or less than zero) profit margins for retailer/manufacturer's trying to sell HD DVD. The BDA is apparently trying to maintain (obscene?) profit margins for the sales of Blu-ray and HD DVD is messing that up. I've the suspicion "Old Lund Christensen" may have an 'interest" in the winner of this format war. But then again, I also have an interest; I want the best possible PQ/SQ for all my movies and I believe Blu-ray does a better job of delivering it than HD DVD.
My nephew has separate HDDVD and Blue Ray players. He says both formats look great, but says ultimately HD looks and sounds better than blue ray.
quite a few of which were quite mediocre in picture quality. Nowadays, the Sony/Fox/Disney 50G releases are consistently better than the stuff Universal has been putting out on HD DVD.
This is true with both formats. There is alot of mediocre titles, even recent ones. IMO, the majority are good, but not fantastic, by HD standards. Examples? BD- Perfet Stranger and Premonition. OK, but nothing fantastic. Die Hard 4 is good, but didn't make me go wow. It also had some banding. HD DVD- Tremors. It was good but has some edge enhancement. Next was mediocre. Dreck 3 was good (its kind of hard to do bad PQ for animation)but I expected better. I could go on, but you get the point.
While I do have a few real standouts in both formats, they are the minority of discs. That said, even mediocre HD is still much better than DVD.
Jack
...how much storage capacity does the human brain have and how much of it is ever actually used? The fact that space is available doesn't mean that the 'container' is ever going to be utilized to maximum benefit! Ummm, ...food for thought!I have to concur with the Consumer Reports analysis based on some of the comparisons I've seen and my own experience with HD: the picture quality of both formats is virtually identical. If I were ascribing points to the plus and minus columns of both formats HD would probably come out on top because Blu-ray's hardware costs so much more (i.e., when the extra space available on Blu-ray discs isn't being utilized) that it cancels out any theoretical value of BD over HD. Add that to BD's robust region blocking which appeals to studio greed (or pirating paranoia) much more than it does educated consumers who may like the option of purchasing HD films and television programming from other regions of the world and you have a potential deal-breaker.
Cheers,
AuPhPS: BTW, if you still in need of a switcher (HDMI as opposed to the DVI switcher I offered earlier), I now have a spare HDMI switcher after upgrading to the Oppo HM-31 (which is sturdier and has a few more bells and whistles, such as signal equalizer and support of long cable lengths); I'll loan the spare to you or sell it to you cheap if you're interested. Oh, almost forgot, see ya at the ORAC auction. :o)
your points are good, as an aside, you may be operating under the misinformation people my age learned in junior high school. "You only use one seventh of your brain" was and is completely wrong. It was based on neurological data from people's brains that were partially destroyed, or removed, but the people still operated almost normally. But that was due to the brain's wondrous ability to circumvent damage, repair itself, and redundancy. You use every last square millimeter of that miraculous organ.
Most of the material where movies are available on both formats (i.e. Warner) also use the exact same encodes so you'd expect the picture quality to be the same. Yes, PQ on HD DVD can be very good (or very mediocre) and likewise with Blu-ray. But I find the 50G Fox/Sony/Disney releases consistently have better picture than Universal/Warner releases. This is not inconsistent with the finding of the wouldbe HD movie reviewers on various websites. YMMV.
Have you had the chance to play around with lossless/uncompressed audio yet ? This is the more obvious differentiator IMHO.
...with rare exception I'm more into two channel for music (as it was originally recorded and mixed). Surround sound for movies is great, but for most consumers lossy or lossless is meaningless jargon. Note: And as an audiophile, I know that lossless doesn't really mean "lossless" when compared with the analog original because it still utilizes compression codecs.
I've even considered getting another turntable and acquiring some classic recordings on vinyl (shudder) because in some instances there are no satisfactory digital recordings available of desired music, but to get back to the original point the term lossless is deceptive.
> > > "We can agree to disagree." < < <
That's fine; I wasn't trying to make this into a personal issue, Oscar, and I'm sorry if you took it that way. If you prefer Blu-ray that's hunky dory. My only bias is toward buying the movies and TV series I want and paying a reasonable admission price with no strings attached.
The blue/red format wars won't be resolved by heated debates here; I'm sure that there are dedicated fans in both camps. There will probably come a time when I'll purchase a Blu-ray player as well when the price becomes more competitive with HD-DVD and they resolve some issues, but there's no rush.
BTW, would you mind addressing the robust region blocking issue which SONY touts to endear themselves to the pirate paranoid studios? For some folks this may be a deal breaker for acceptance of Blu-ray.
> > > "But I find the 50G Fox/Sony/Disney releases consistently have better picture than Universal/Warner releases." < < <
Since you have both HD-DVD & Blu-ray, have you made any A/B comparisons? Oh, wait! That's right, there aren't any because the Fox/SONY/Disney consortium have blocked the release of corresponding titles in HD through exclusivity deals; that's why the HD camp retaliated this fall by signing Paramount & Dreamworks to exclusivity deals of their own! So, the customer is forced to choose between the formats based upon favored titles rather than best reproduction.
As I stated in my prior post with the intentionally humorous analogy regarding cranial capacity, the available space is less important than what's in it.
The bottom line: When compared, movies which have been released in both formats are virtually identical PQ-wise.
Cheers,
AuPh :o)
PS: E-mail me if you're still interested in the extra HDMI switcher; I'd rather offer it to a friend than auction it off on eBay.
E.g. It wouldn't do the studios any good in terms of European sales if they released region-free movies on Blu-ray in USA if the first run movies haven't been in the theaters in Europe yet; that would kill theatrical sales (I believe that's the reason Warner's isn't releasing a certain movie on HD DVD yet, though the BLu-ray release is forthcoming). I can't blame the studios for doing that though it makes my life a bit more inconvenient.
Also, don't you prefer "lossless" DVD-A or CD vs "lossy" DD/DTS ? Whether it's music or movie tracks, "lossy" DD/DTS still sounds "muddy" next to their uncompressed/"lossless" counterparts. E.g. when choosing between Eagles' "Hotel California" on DVD-A or DVD-V, I have to choose between a video presentation with "lossy" DTS or a more pristine presentation with 5.1 "lossless" 24/96 DVD-A but no video. Blu-ray will allow me to have both high def video and "lossless" 5.1 24/96 sound (too bad they can't slap on DSD @ 5.6Mbs at the same time...
That vinyl argument doesn't really apply for movie tracks, the master "tapes" are typically digital 24/48 so yes, HD Media can be "lossless" bit-for-bit identical to the masters.
> > > "I can't blame the studios for doing that though it makes my life a bit more inconvenient." < < <
I do blame the Blu-ray consortium for acquiescing to studio paranoia, and when you say inconvenience that's an understatement, especially when it limits or prevents one from acquiring high definition formated television and film titles from overseas.
> > > "Also, don't you prefer "lossless" DVD-A or CD vs "lossy" DD/DTS?" < < <
If it were truly lossless, then yes (esp. for CDs, DVD-A & SACD music), but that's a misnomer because it's still compressed. Nevertheless, it's a moot point because both HD-DVD & Blu-ray have codecs for lossless digital audio. However, to play lossless audio requires a receiver or digital processor capable of handling those formats and I'm not willing to sacrifice any part of my tube based stereo rig to accomodate lossless audio from my video gear. I will add this capability when I can do so affordably and without compromising any other aspect of my A/V system.
Cheers,
AuPh
The Blu-boys only watch Hollywood blockbusters, reissues of Hollywood "classics," and the occasional US-approved import, so they can't understand why you'd be so concerned about that obscure furrin stuff. If you don't see it their way, there's obviously something wrong with you. You're not fitting into the flock! You're a baaaad sheep! Baaaaaad!
I didn't know that.
By the way, if you're really opposed to protecting copyrighted, intellectual property, you may fit better in a country like China. Or maybe Eastern Europe.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
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-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
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This from your "open letter" but that was nothing compared to an earlier rant of yours whining about regional encoding.
"if you content providers keep putting commercials, previews, obnoxious Don't Steal PSAs, etc. and locking down the controls so that I can't choose to skip them and just watch the movie I paid for, you're going to drive me to piracy."
Pretty funny.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
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-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
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... about "intellectual" property? Inquiring minds may want to know! ;0)
Cheers,
AuPh
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