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In Reply to: RE: Not a format upgrade... just being sold the SAME movie again.. and again.. posted by chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com on December 12, 2007 at 08:48:06
As for regional encoding, shouldn't content developers exercise their right to market their product in the areas where they have distribution rights? If we can't support the protection of intellectual property, copyright laws, etc. The record labels have all been raked over the coals, and the good retailer B&Ms and mom and pop retailers have all shut down. Digital content poses real problems and I don't blame studios for working on copy protection mechanisms.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
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> > > "As for regional encoding, shouldn't content developers exercise their right to market their product in the areas where they have distribution rights?" < < <IF they market it in my region as originally shown, then yes, but if they don't ...or if they edit it down or withhold it altogether from my designated region, ...then I should be able to purchase that programming from wherever it is offered legally and play it in whatever region I wish!
> > > "If we can't support the protection of intellectual property, copyright laws, etc. The record labels have all been raked over the coals, and the good retailer B&Ms and mom and pop retailers have all shut down." < < <
Yes, piracy is bad and fair use distribution is a concern especially with free dissemination of music content, but you should be smart enough not to swallow the industry's Kool Aid when this issue has nothing to do with piracy. When a collector from one region buys a legally obtainable TV series or movie that's offered in another region it should play on his machine without incident.
> > > "Digital content poses real problems and I don't blame studios for working on copy protection mechanisms." < < <
As I said, piracy would involve being able to download perfect copies off of a machine; that's not what we're talking about when discussing regional encoding.
AuPh
"As for regional encoding, shouldn't content developers exercise their right to market their product in the areas where they have distribution rights?"
No manufacturer has that right with their products so why should the studios?
It simply isn't possible and there will NEVER be a 'solution' for the studios so why alienate the consumer and waste both time and money on copy protection which never, ever works?
IF - and it's a big 'IF' - studios are losing billions due to illegal downloads, is it because people are buying bit for bit copies of DVDs/CDs?
In my experience, 99% of copied DVDs are either CD-Rs, or more often they're filmed in cinemas on camcorders and only sell because buyers want to watch a film before it's released officially on DVD.
In both instances, quality of sound or picture IS NOT AN ISSUE and if DVDs were successfully copy-protected someone would simply play an up-scaled DVD on a projector and film that.
"The record labels have all been raked over the coals, and the good retailer B&Ms and mom and pop retailers have all shut down."
Go see how many record label executives are driving around in Ford saloons, and the next time you watch the 'Grammys' see how many artists are having to watch their purse.
Mom and Pop stores are closing down because that's what has been happening to small stores since supermarkets started selling chart CDs/DVDs and online stores began undercutting - nothing to do with piracy, and if it was the online stores would be shutting down too.
The local grocer shut down years ago and the butcher is struggling too, but not because we've stopped eating veg or meat.
Best Regards,
Chris redmond.
"If we can't support the protection of intellectual property, copyright laws, etc."
Get real. The way RIAA has degraded the word "intellectual" it no longer has any meaning, much less value.
"Digital content poses real problems and I don't blame studios for working on copy protection mechanisms."
That's propaganda. CD sales is up, not down. The music industry has never been healthier. The only thing that is down is the sales of Britney Spears CDs. RIAA wants us to cry because Britney Spears CDs don't sell as well as they used to.
The music artists should sue the intellectual dwarves at RIAA, if anyone should sue anyone. RIAA is the music artists' #1 enemy. RIAA has alienated everybody by declaring war on the Internet, technology and the music buyers. Their biggest blunder, of course, was to fight the SACD. What a bunch of idiots.
As for copy protection. I have a useless copy protected CD. You think RIAA is going to refund me for this, the only CD I have that sounds so horrendous it's unlistenable? I do not give a damn about the money. It's that they ripped me off and the insult of being assumed to be an idiot that bother me.
I do not download anything. The artist I like I support. I'm not a gatherer. But I do support every illegal downloader 100%. I cannot do much, but I will do everything I can to hurt RIAA.
LOL! Jazz Inmate has done the same thing for the word "capacity", but that's another story! :O)
Cheers,
AuPh
That is stolen content of CDs. destroyed all.
Never listened to anyway, ALSO all.
I do not care about illegal downloads. I do not do it. but I PAY ENOUGH so I think I can say fine, go ahead and copy all that crap you would never have purchased anyway!!!
Well, what more can I say? Like it or not, we have things called "laws" and we try to enforce them to protect copyrights and such. That is in contrast to places like Eastern Europe and Asia, where piracy has simply replaced lawful distribution of media. Is that really the kind of world you want to live in?
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
"That is in contrast to places like Eastern Europe and Asia, where piracy has simply replaced lawful distribution of media."
Are you working for RIAA? Or why the RIAA propaganda.
"Is that really the kind of world you want to live in?"
I know that I don't want to live in a world where RIAA exists.
Are you serious?
I work for a company that develops, manufactures and markets innovative scientific instrumentation worldwide. In your view, any competitor or thief on the street that wants a piece of us could feel free to pirate our R&D data, set up a manufacturing facility and undercut our sales.
You might think the RIAA is evil incarnate, but they were set up to ensure record plants were meeting standards for frequency response. Their current primary goal is to protect the intellectual property rights of artists. Now you may not like how they go about doing this, and much of the time neither do I, but artists and record labels don't deserve to have their product pirated any more than a company like mine does. How to go about protecting against piracy and punishing piracy is a very complicated question. I certainly don't have the answer, and it's obvious that you don't either. It's about finding a solution.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
"In your view, any competitor or thief on the street that wants a piece of us could feel free to pirate our R&D data, set up a manufacturing facility and undercut our sales."
I never said any of that.
"You might think the RIAA is evil incarnate"
It's hard to say. They seem to be too studid to be genuinly evil. Nah, they are evil, alright. You are aware that RIAA has bullied nations into changing their laws to comply with the will of RIAA?
"but artists and record labels don't deserve to have their product pirated any more than a company like mine does."
And no more than I deserve to get ripped off.
I have made two points.
RIAA ripped me off. I'm being petty and like to see RIAA being ripped off in return. I'm not studid. I know there's no getting back at RIAA. Most people who download illegal mp3s would never buy a CD. They are the same people who in the pre CD days would borrow your LP and tape it. RIAA loses no money on them.
The other point is RIAA's yellow fever propaganda. You can buy pirated Chinese DVDs in virually every mall in America. Of course, that's none of RIAA or MPAA's concern. Their only concern is to protect American interests. I have no problem with that. What does bother me is that their propaganda is parroted by corporate news medias owned by the same people who own the record companies.
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