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In Reply to: RE: Who cares? Well, Ole and Jazz Inmate do . . . posted by townsend on December 13, 2007 at 16:43:39
I am getting rather tired of silly jokes with no information, when I post a link with new sales numbers.
Yes, people can google, but few post links here.
I post Blu ray links, other can post HD DVD links.
I have made my views very clear, so the many readers of this forum can make their own judgement about the links I show.
They do not need additional comments from Jack and others.
You are basicly trying to limit information and free speech.
I would not like to to live in your local society.
But I will defend your right to post here. You might extend me the same courtesy.
Follow Ups:
You're upset that people are complaining about your posts. I think there is a valid reason why so many are unhappy with the content, and are venting their frustrations on you. The frustrations have little to do with the fact that you are a blatant Blu-ray Cheerleader. If you were an HD DVD Cheerleader, the reaction would be identical.
> > Yes, people can google, but few post links here. < <
It seems to me that most people come here to share their personal experiences, their likes and dislikes, and read the experiences and opinions of others. Outside of the lengthy flame-wars, those are the posts and discussions which seem to be most popular. Experiences and opinions don't need links to sales figures or articles about which technology is "winning."
The problem is, posting personal experiences is not what you're doing. Not even a little bit. You are posting propaganda. Your posts are a relentless stream of sales figures, press releases, slanted articles, and dubious op-eds. That is pretty much all you post. The information you are duplicating and reposting here is easily available to anyone with a web browser, should they care enough to find it. By constantly posting this stuff here, you are just acting as a mouthpiece for the Blu-ray propaganda machine.
You can say all you want, "Don't read my posts" but since the forum is literally over-run with your propaganda posts, it becomes hard to ignore, and people start complaining, stop reading, and target you for their frustrations. ZS KEKL did in the Hi-rez forum what you are doing now in this forum and he nearly ruined it, to the point that he was given his own forum to play in, where no one goes anymore. This could happen here if you keep doing what you're doing.
Again, it has nothing to do with Blu-ray - it has everything to do with you. If an HD DVD fanboy did what you are doing, I am quite sure the reaction to him would be identical.
> > You are basicly trying to limit information and free speech. But I will defend your right to post here. < <
No, he is not trying to limit free speech. He is trying to explain to you that he feels your exercise of your posting privilege (yes, privilege - this is a private forum, not a public soapbox) is excessive. You are simply spamming the forum with propaganda, not engaging in discussion.
> > I would not like to to live in your local society. < <
You talk about extending courtesy, but this is clearly an insult. Insults are discourteous. If you want to engage in insults, go right ahead, but please don't try to feign courtesy while you're doing it.
Ole, we don't need propaganda. Not from Blu-ray fanboys, not from HD DVD fanboys. There are plenty of places on the web where anyone can get as propagandized as they want. This is not that place.
to take the last matter first
Townsend wrote:
“If this weren't an online forum, but rather a meeting on a local level, several members would be asked to leave. I'm not asking anybody to leave”
I then write, “I would not like to to live in your local society”
If that is an insult, it cannot be directed towards Townsend, because his is not asking anybody to leave. It must be directed aginst those people, who would ask other people to leave a meeting due to a remark.
I am expressing, that I prefer to live in a freedom of speech society, with a high ceiling limit on remarks.
And I refer to Voltaire, who said "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." That is truly a high ceiling for remarks and became the foundation for the laws giving freedom of speech.
Courtesy is more than politeness, it also means “Consent or agreement in spite of fact”
See http://www.answers.com/topic/courtesy
It came from the many italian courts, where blod was spilled on the floors by swords, often due to mistaken insults and hot tempers.
So it became promoted as an ideal behavoir in middle age courts, that you would accept insulting remarks in spite of facts, simply to be courteous. (outside the court you could still draw the swords)
Lets move on
at least some of my posts are not propaganda, and some people here read them with pleasure.
My recent post on a swedish region free Blu Ray player is not easy to find by googling. So here I helped some readers.
I have the advantage of reading English, German, Danish, Swedish fluently, and what I remember of my Latin helps me with technical Italian and French. So I can find more interesting links than many can, and concentrate them here. They are clearly marked with my name, so you can avoid them.
I also add an European perspective to the debate.
If I have changed this forum, it is due to my many post drawing many comments.
And I do engage in some of the discusions, here you are simply wrong.
But that is my freedom too. You can do the same. The moderators own and control the AA, and they have set rules, which you can read.
The HD DVD fans here call themself neutral, and they accept any HD DVD post in good faith. But they attack any blu ray post, thereby showing their true colours.
I have writtten in AA for many years, because I like the way the moderators act here.
I am not asking you to stop. And I would like to see a HD forum.
Your arrogance knows no bounds.
to comunicate.
Your arrogance is beyond measure.
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