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In Reply to: RE: Will HD DVD be the new Betamax ? posted by chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com on December 15, 2007 at 10:33:35
The price difference between players is almost gone, if you want 1080p and the new models.
It is now USD 233 versus USD 280 on amazon.com and the Toshiba is not selling well anymore.
So a lot of people now fear that Toshiba HD DVD is the next Betamax.
Is is safer to pay USD 280 for the Samsung BD-P1400 player.
Follow Ups:
Whether you are right or wrong, you are somebody's sock puppet. The way I know it is that you consider each dual format player a Blu Ray player
You can believe and write anything you want here,
but will anybody trust you, after your post about 2 to 3 times more for a Blu Ray player?
That post exposed you as a HD DVD fanboy, who should have checked the new prices before posting.
I am proud to be a Blu Ray cheerleader. I do not hide it, claiming to be neutral.
A dual format player do play Blu Ray.
And please notice my post about LG dual format player comming, and the recent post about a dual format PC drive.
I wish somebody would offer to pay me for posting. But my hour rate is perhaps too high :-)
Once again he damns BD with faint praise.
"We have momentum," he told the wire service this week. "But that's all we have at the moment."
Sound like a winner?
Jack
the HD DVD is dying now, but
the real format war is against normal DVD, and that is still a long battle.
8 million POTC in DVD and 160,000 in Blu Ray is 2% Blu Ray in USA. There is a long way to 10%.
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I do not have shares in SONY, and my only SONY product is a 6 year old 36" tube TV, which nobody wants to buy used today.
Yes, I saw that their game department lost roughly $800M, despite PS2 sales. Remember, they are still subsidizing the PS3.
Pehaps that is why Stringer is still underwhelmed with BD.
Jack
the 40GB version is cheap to make, and with Blu Ray drives above 7 million units cost are comming down fast.
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PSP 439,846 units last week and total 27,776,383
PS3 417,534 units last week and total 7,194,575
X360 414,159 units last week and total 14,558,327
PS2 384,241 units last week and total 113,332,506
So PS3 is now selling better than PS2 and X360.
And adding PSP, PS2 and PS3 together you see total SONY domination.
It does not look like 2:1 for PS2 does it?
Nobody but SONY knows what the new PS3 40GB cost to make.
However when you have made 7 million, the next millions do get cheaper to make.
see link for PS2 and PS3 sales
Weekly results are useless for gauging financial success. Try looking at Sony's quarterly financial results, or at the very least, read an article in the finance section of a newspaper, instead of the fanboy section of a website.
Here's one that may get you pointed in the right direction.
First of all, those analyses of the "hundreds of dollars" per unit Sony is said to be losing on each PS3 are bogus. Sony manufactures millions of PS3 units and therefore orders parts by the millions. If you order parts in bulk, the costs per part go down astronomically. But yeah, if you personally bought all the materials you need to make a PS3 and assembled one, you would lose a lot of money if you sold it for $399. That isn't the case with Sony. Heck, you'd also lose money on that cheap Toshiba doorstop, if you assembled one buying each part at list price and sold it for $99.
As for Sony's latest sales results...reported for Q2 which for them ended Sept. 30...in bln yen...was 2,083 up from 1,854 in Q2 of 2006.
Gee, racer, that seems like double digit growth...not bad at all.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
"Sony Corp.'s Game division made up by subsidiary Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. revealed operating losses today for the second fiscal quarter of 96.7 billion yen ($841 million). The amount more than doubles last year's losses of 43.5 billion yen for the period of July through September."
Just the facts.
1 minute on Google found this, so you aren't trying very hard.
Jack
What you failed to understand is that bringing a quality product to market requires serious expenses in R&D and marketing at the outset. But if you can weather that storm and remain profitable, as Sony clearly is, you stand to reap benefits for many years. That's why the PS2 has now exceeded 120 million units sold...no doubt driving the company's commitment to quality in the PS3. Are you really so myopic that you think Sony will lose money on this product? Did you think that about PS2?
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
You said they weren't losing money on the PS3. They are, HUGE amounts.
Jack
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
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...that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
Congratulations.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
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All of it sounds true.
And indeed the SONY PS3 have been a bad launch with several misfires and overly optimistic claims. This has caused lack of confidence, and a drop in stock price. (PS2 in is best days gave half the buttomline)
So my question to you is:
Let us asume, that I am correct in saying that since that article, the PS3 finally came in the bestseller version, driving sales dramatically up, is now the right time to buy SONY shares? (Bad sentence structure, sorry)
And how much could the shares go up?
The upturn is strongest in Europe, where the price is much higher, and the profit therefore better.
Secondly, the cost of building the PS3 is going dramatically down, and will end a bit above PS2 levels.
I do not have SONY shares, but your link gave me the idea, that I might have a way to beat the market. If I am correct :-)
P.S I do like to read Financial Times, but I am at the moment far away from a lot of good magazines and newspapers.
Yes, overall Sony's profitability is beginning to rise. Sony stock may be a good investment. That is irrelevant to the subject of your constant propagandizing though.
The relevant issue is that Sony is losing money on the PS3. The relevant question is: how long will Sony permit its more profitable divisions to subsidize its money-losers?
In the past, Sony frequently subsidized its money-losers for years. That is one of the reasons why they got into financial straits. Ever since Stringer took over, Sony has chosen to focus more on short-term profit goals, and has begun to show a tendency to walk away from unprofitable business models and products.
We'll have to wait and see whether the PS3 will become profitable. In the meantime, if you're concerned, maybe you should directly contribute to the gaming division's bottom line. Instead of buying stock, you should buy several thousand PS3s ;-)
Many people in the early part of the decade said similar things about Sony. They were as confused about the PS2 and its profitability as you appear to be about the PS3, which most respectable analysts predict will be the biggest selling console over the next 10 yrs. The only thing possibly standing in the way of that is if a next generation Wii comes out that boasts processing power/graphics capabilities similar to the PS3 and if developers make games for it.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
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