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In Reply to: RE: FUD posted by TK421 on December 16, 2007 at 11:32:47
Jeez. Got hate? The guy posted some sales rankings and a link to a major retailer and you act like he raped your mother. That kind of hostile reaction to someone who is just trying to post information is what is hurting this forum.The real figures of interest will be out soon enough for those of us who want a clear snapshot of which format is being more readily embraced: sales of the Potter box and individual HD DVDs vs Blu-rays.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
Edits: 12/16/07Follow Ups:
His, and apparently your hatred of HD DVD was amusing, but now has become tiring. Like I have stated before, I enjoy BOTH formats. And don't try to say that the guy just posts some sales figures now and again. Please. He is the epitome of a BD shill. You never see a positive post about HD DVD. It's almost like reading Bill Hunt's FUD over at The Digital Bits.
I will continue to enjoy my PS3 and my HD-A2 whether Amazon sold 2,394 more copies of a movie on BD than HD DVD or not. To quote Bill Murray in Meatballs: "It doesn't matter if we win or if we lose! IT - JUST - DOESN'T - MATTER !!!!!!!!!!"
Last time I looked, Sony was bleeding red while Toshiba and Microsoft have plenty of cash to buy up another studio. Can we all say Disney?
Not everyone wants to support two formats because it will slow adoption and HD movie rollout. Also, the inferior format is holding back production of content for the better one. If that doesn't matter to you I can see why you're so mad. You should be mad at yourself.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
Last time I checked, both formats used the same video and audio encodes. I have never yet watched a movie on Blu-ray and said to myself: "Self, that Blu-ray movie was far superior to the one I watched on HD DVD". Plus, the interactive features on HD DVD were complete when the first machine hit the shelves. Blu-ray is a work in progress. It was rushed to market.
And please don't bring up the old Blu-ray has more space argument, or the Blu-ray has better bandwith argument. Neither of these "advantages" has been a factor so far. What are the Blu-boys going to do when the 51GB HD DVD starts getting used?
The only true advantage Blu-ray has is more CE support. Studio support at this point has been a wash since Paramount and Dreamworks jumped ship. It's funny how all the BD supporters want the war to end. Personally, I could care less. Hardware prices are less than half what they were at this time last year.
The only solution will be a merger of sorts. Dual format players that will play a unified disc format, but the consumer will not know if he's getting a BD disc or an HD DVD. Either disc could be used by the studio depending on what suits the film. A renaming to High Definition Disc (HDD) or something along that line.
You should be asking why the vast majority of HD DVDs do not include lossless/uncompressed audio tracks...
That's a "factor" which could be a direct result of bandwidth/storage limitations. It's hit or miss (usually miss) whether any of the HD DVDs have lossless audio. In contrast, the Blu-ray exclusive studios are now releasing almost every Blu-ray movie with lossless/uncompressed audio.
I also don't particularly care for the relatively low bitrate video transfers typical of HD DVD encodes or a number of 25G Blu-ray encodes (re: probable storage issues).
If you want to disbelieve the bandwidth/storage issues, you can always blame the "inferior" PQ/SQ (collective assessment of a large survey of movie reviews by multiple reviewers) on "inferior" (?) movie production values by the HD DVD-supporting studios. This despite the fact that Warner Blu-ray/HD DVD movies have identical video encodes (hence identical PQ).
> > > You should be asking why the vast majority of HD DVDs do not include lossless/uncompressed audio tracks... < < <
It was originally more for financial reasons than technical. They have since changed their mind.
> > > In contrast, the Blu-ray exclusive studios are now releasing almost every Blu-ray movie with lossless/uncompressed audio. < < <
Actually, since September, almost all of the HD DVDs are lossess too now. That old BD *whine* doesn't cut it any more.
> > > , you can always blame the "inferior" PQ/SQ (collective assessment of a large survey of movie reviews by multiple reviewers) < < <
They must be different reviewers from the ones I read. I have yet to see any advantage of BD-as a whole, they don't look any better than HD DVD.
Jack
"Transformers", "Face/Off" etc....didn't have it. I thought about buying "Shooters" with the Best Buy BOGO but it didn't have it either. Still too many title without lossless (close to 50 % over the past 3 months but getting better).
"Transformers" is my favorite HD DVD video encode (maybe I just like AVC), "King Kong" and "Troy" are overrated IMHO and represent the better HD DVD encodes in my limited HD DVD library. None are the equal of the better Blu-ray movies. YMMV.
I just picked up "Bourne Ultimatum" on the Best Buy BOGO. Maybe this could be my new HD DVD "reference".
As I've said previously, Transformers isn't even in my top 5 or so HD DVDs, though its as good as most BDs out there. Bourne Ultimatum looks quite good, better than any BD I've seen. And its got True HD. Weeeeee!
Star Trek TOS has lossless (5.1), but personally, I think its a waste on that. I actually don't like it on this, it doesn't sound like the Star Trek I grew up on. I prefer the 2 channel DD+ on this set-the 5.1 sounds too processed to my ears. But, its there for those who must have it regardless of how it sounds, or for people too young to have seen it originally.
Jack
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