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Just dump the Sony and get a Denon Blu-ray player. :) nt

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In Reply to: RE: are so many problems with the Sony model I have that parts are on indefinite backorder. Blu Ray or no? nt posted by Duilawyer on December 17, 2007 at 17:23:03

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Best Standalone Currently For The Buck Is Panny BD30 - Robertc88 05:44:29 12/18/07 (15)
Very reliable. Profile 1.1 and bitstreams the audio to a HDMI 1.3 AVR for DTS HD MA and Dolby True HD.
- I disagree - it's missing a key feature - racerguy 06:15:12 12/18/07 (14)
  It doesn't have multi-channel analog outputs. That makes it useless for me.
  - Multi-channel Analog Outputs Only Gets One So Far - Robertc88 05:54:22 12/19/07 (6)
    I bought an AVR with HDMI 1.3. It was only $400 and works fine for my needs. I now have DTS HD MA and Dolby True HD through bitstream.
    - One step forward, four steps back - racerguy 06:20:48 12/19/07 (1)
      There isn't an AVR on the planet that matches up to my gear, not even the $5000 Denon. Yes, I would gain the ability to bitstream advanced codecs from my HDM players, but the benefit I would gain from that is totally overshadowed by the sacrifices I would have to make.
      - They just need to put Logic 7 in the HD media player. - oscar 10:04:30 12/19/07 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: One step forward, four steps back posted by racerguy on December 19, 2007 at 06:20:48
        
        BTW, Is Lexicon and/or their design teams still intact or has the expertise been spread to the winds in corporate restructuring ?
    - The Denon would give me DTS HD MA through the analog outputs. - oscar 06:08:23 12/19/07 (0)
      The price is a bit steep but I expect I'll get better results with the Denon and my current MC preamp than a $400 Samsung and $2000 HDMI 1.3-compliant AVR. Of course, there are other benefits as well (better upscaling, DACs etc), I doubt there are enough DTS HD MA movie releases to justify the expense just for the advanced decoding. I can already play TrueHD and PCM through the existing player's analog outputs.
      
      Of course, CES 2008 might reveal tastier options to consider.
    - Wait a minute... - Jack G 06:01:56 12/19/07 (2)
      I'm supposed to replace a $3K amp with a $400 receiver just because some studio wants to use DTS MA the NO PLAYER actually decodes? I don't think so.
      Jack
      - I'd Advise Most Here To Forget HD Video!!!! nt - Robertc88 10:17:02 12/19/07 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Wait a minute... posted by Jack G on December 19, 2007 at 06:01:56
        
        nt
        
        Why? - Jack G 10:34:42 12/19/07 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: I'd Advise Most Here To Forget HD Video!!!! nt posted by Robertc88 on December 19, 2007 at 10:17:02
        
        Granted, the audio portion of my HT isn't up to my music system's standards (Its made from my stereo's discards), but I don't see the point of buying a receiver just because players don't decode DTS MA. That's just silly.
        I'm not sure I see your point.
        Jack
  - Agreed. I'm looking at a ton of money to remove the "HDMI-challenged" character of the system. nt - oscar 06:23:02 12/18/07 (0)
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  - RE: I disagree - it's missing a key feature - Jack G 06:22:09 12/18/07 (5)
    Funny how few, if any, BD players do everything. How's the Sharp player?
    Jack
    - But almost ALL HD DVD players are missing a key feature... - oscar 07:30:12 12/18/07 (1)
      they can't play Blu-ray discs. ;> )
      - Indeed - racerguy 07:33:55 12/18/07 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: But almost ALL HD DVD players are missing a key feature... posted by oscar on December 18, 2007 at 07:30:12
        
        Eventually some company will come up with a relatively uncompromised dual-format player that works well, and most of my aggravation will be over. It would be nice if that company used a quality HD DVD player as a base, instead of using a crappy Blu-ray player as a base, such as LG and Samsung have done.
    - So far the Sharp player is good - racerguy 07:14:42 12/18/07 (2)
      It's a definite improvement over the Sony (which cost me more), even when the Sony was brand-new and working OK. It makes a bit more mechanical noise when it's operating than the Sony did, but I can live with that.
      The only thing I've found so far that is irritating is the player update process. It's a PITA to get at the USB port in the back, and the load time for updates is interminable. Oh well - can't have everything, especially in a Blu-ray player! It truly is amazing how feature-poor and limited these players are for the price tag compared to their HD DVD counterparts. I hope that changes quickly.
      
      Edits: 12/18/07
      - RE: So far the Sharp player is good - Jack G 07:36:26 12/18/07 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: So far the Sharp player is good posted by racerguy on December 18, 2007 at 07:14:42
        
        I did warn you about the updating. I haven't done it yet, and since I don't own the (single?) problem disc, I may not bother. Oddly, the Sharp is one of the better featured BD players. Pity its 1.0.
        Jack
        
        RE: So far the Sharp player is good - racerguy 07:42:46 12/18/07 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: So far the Sharp player is good posted by Jack G on December 18, 2007 at 07:36:26
        
        Yes, you did warn me, so I was reasonably prepared. Doesn't seem like updates are as frequent as with some other players, so it's not a huge issue.
        The funny part is that I took a look around, and this player has not been seriously reviewed by anyone. The craptacular Samsungs and Sonys have lots of reviews, but no one talks about the Sharp. It's a better player IMO. Thanks for mentioning it.
        It is a pity it's only 1.0, but 1.1 players are still basically vaporware and/or way too expensive at this point. The churn in Blu is such that spending more than a few hundred dollars on a player right now is a not-smart move.
        
        Edits: 12/18/07
The last piece of Denon gear that was any good was made in 1989 (nt) - racerguy 18:21:10 12/17/07 (2)
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- "Good" is relative; I suspect the Denon would be a far better product than my present LG. - oscar 18:27:51 12/17/07 (1)
  I'd take a hard look at Meridian (or other high end) Blu-ray player but it doesn't exist yet.
  - Need to wait a few years - racerguy 18:40:05 12/17/07 (0)
    If history is a good reference, then the best time to buy the "ultimate" player is about a year after the early adopters have declared the format dead. :-)

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