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So, after getting thoroughly trounced in 2007, HD DVD's movie plans for the first month of 2008 appear truly anemic (only eight titles?) while Blu-ray is rolling out 27 titles (see below). I'll go out on a limb and predict Blu-ray's lead continues to grow.
HD DVD
January 08, 2008
The Invasion (Warner)
Mobsters (Universal)
The Pianist (Universal)
White Noise (Universal)
White Noise 2: The Light (Universal)
Zodiac: Director's Cut (Paramount)
January 22, 2008
Channels (Vanguard Cinema)
January 29, 2008
King of California (First Look)
Blu-Ray
January 01, 2008
Shoot 'Em Up (New Line)
War (Lionsgate)
January 02, 2008
Resident Evil (Sony)
Resident Evil Trilogy (Sony)
Resident Evil: Extinction (Sony)
January 08, 2008
3:10 to Yuma (2007) (Lionsgate)
Con Air (Buena Vista)
Dragon Wars (Sony)
The Invasion (Warner)
Killing Machine/Shogun's Ninja (BCI)
Man on Fire (Fox)
Night of the Werewolf/Vengeance of the Zombies (BCI)
The Rock (Buena Vista)
Sister Street Fighter/Sister Street Fighter 2 (BCI)
Sunshine (Fox)
January 15, 2008
Breaker Morant (Image)
Good Luck Chuck (Lionsgate)
Mr. Woodcock (New Line)
Suburban Girl (Image)
Went To Coney Island On A Mission From God... Be Back By Five (Starz)
January 22, 2008
The Game Plan (Walt Disney)
Initial D (Tai Seng)
Saw IV (Lionsgate)
January 29, 2008
Daddy Day Camp (Sony)
Damages: The Complete First Season (Sony)
King of California (First Look)
Monty Python's Life of Brian (Sony)
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
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Format Neutral and loving it!
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LOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL PICTURE FUNNY IS! GO TO DAEGU IN TIME? SEX LEFT I DO SEX LEFT.
I enjoy the word FUD. It's the best description of a Blu-boy :)
At what point do you accept negative merits of HD DVD and positive merits of Blu-ray as facts, not FUD? You're like the proverbial infant covering his ears, screaming "La-la-la-la".
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
I enjoy movies, not formats. I have come to peace with the fact that we have two formats and will continue to have these two formats for quite a long time. I don't need either camp trying to convince me that their format is better. Nor do I give a rat's ass about numbers. I refuse to wave a blue or red flag. My flag is purple.
I find it funny that you quote the "negative" aspects of HD DVD and the "positive" merits of Blu-ray. Do you not have the sensibility to appreciate the "positive" merits of HD DVD and the "negative" aspects of Blu-ray??? Is the BD association paying guys like you to pump their format? If so, please tell me how I can get on that list. I could use the extra cash.
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-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
Of course you'll need a big leap in bandwidth/storage and I'm not sure the optical technology is ready to support it.
Un compressed digital video at a resolution of 1920x1080 at 24 frames per second has a data rate of about 746 Mb/s. Just an hour gobbles up about 328GB.
Now compare that to a "compressed" H264 video stream on Blu-ray in the 37 Mb/s range. Still think an uncompressed stream will ever see use on an optical disc?
:-)
Both lists read largely like a list of box-office/critical failures. If this is the best the studios are willing to do, HDM will fail in the marketplace.
This garbage reminds me a lot of what Sony and Warner did to SACD and DVD-Audio - they created the formats, and then held back the best of their catalogs, preferring to release obscure/2nd-string junk on the hi-rez.
Sad.
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You're helping ensure niche status. Until one format is chosen by consumers and the industry, this will proceed slow as molasses.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
Trying to force a game console on them isn't going to help either.
Jack
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
My apologies (to Jack) for butting in to challenge your response, but your little doom and gloom rants about the niche status of both formats is just a little premature. If these formats remain niche products it won't be because of the format wars. In fact, I'm pretty sure that things would be no better, perhaps much worse, if only one relatively expensive format were dominating right now. Here are my reasons for asserting this:1) releasing films in HD, either format or both, is less of an issue for studios than piracy fears (which really isn't an HD issue when you get right down to it), and it's of little concern to consumers since the technologies produce the same PQ (leaving aside Jazz Inmate's all important Capacity Manifesto). Seriously, the only folks genuinely impacted by this format war are brick & mortar businesses such as major appliance stores like Frys, Circuit City & Best Buy and some video rental stores which may feel pressured by the current circumstances to carry dual inventories.
2) competition between the formats have forced hardware prices down, pushed all parties into rapid implementation (not always to the better when assessing various hardware glitches) and will continue to drive the technology. High definition discs are still too pricey to elicit across the board interest from Joe Public, especially when compared to what standard DVDs cost, but prices will drop as HD replication costs decline.
3) As MSRP for up-converting, backwards compatible high definition players are reduced closer to what standard DVD players were several years after their introduction more folks will opt to replace their aging DVD players. However, the clincher should be the dual-format player which makes studio exclusivity deals moot. When combined with plummeting hardware prices the introduction of affordable dual format players should provide the impetus for fence sitters to hop down and climb on board the HD welcome wagon.
4) HDTV and Congressional mandates will force the issue of high definition delivery into the spotlight as more and more folks opt to buy 1080P flat screen sets of various sizes to replace their old analog sets that are scheduled to go away early next year (unless updated with a funky set-top converter box). Standard DVD will definitely NOT be a good enough delivery system on newer digital sets as folks become accustomed to watching HDTV broadcasts of WS films (in 760P, 1080I & 1080P) available for free over the air via antenna and on various premium movie channels via cable or satellite.
So, there you have it. You can argue to your heart's content that high definition on disc is stagnating in niche hell, but it is my considered opinion that one, more likely both, of these formats will not only survive but prevail over the current DVD standard. That doesn't mean that standard DVDs will go away completely because the backwards compatibility and up-scaling abilities wisely incorporated into the new players will only make them more attractive for playing the older standard definition titles folks have or wish to collect.
Cheers,
AuPh
There's no doubt that your so-called number one reason (titles you want) for adopting HD DVD is also the number one reason you will not get the titles you want anytime soon. The key to accelerating this is to choose the better format and get behind it with our consumer $$s.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
than hi-rez audio enthusiasts. Though it stands a much better chance of surviving as at least a niche format provided one of the formats disappears....
> > Though it stands a much better chance of surviving as at least a niche format provided one of the formats disappears.... < <
A year ago, maybe even six months ago, I might have agreed. At this point, I'd say both formats have enough "niche" momentum that if one disappears it will crater the other.
At the top of the list are the Warner rumors, but I'm also interested in the HD media player announcements.
Movies ? I'm going to settle back and watch what I have already (10+ hd discs still in the shrinkwrap) including four (4/5?) different versions of "Blade Runner". Heck, when I get back from the Holiday break, I might go back to DVD mode for a while to see some of the older movies.
The only HD discs I might be buying in the next few weeks will likely be Christmas presents.
I don't pay attention to rumors.
The Simpson's Movie is on the way to me now. It will be a trip to see bart, homer et al in 2.40:1 framing. Really looking forward to Master & Commander and No Country.
I never adopted DVD-A and I'll never adopt HD DVD. Blu-ray is the way to go and folks who don't think so are ensuring the doom of HD video as an optical format.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
> > > "I never adopted DVD-A and I'll never adopt HD DVD. Blu-ray is the way to go and folks who don't think so are ensuring the doom of HD video as an optical format." < < <
As I responded in a post below: "There's your Pinocchio-syndrome flaring an ugly nostril again. If you aren't a pompom carrying fan-boy, cheer-leading "Blu-rah-rah" up and down this page like a silly teenager doing cart-wheels to get everyone's attention then maybe Webster's needs to redefine advocacy and add a few more anecdotal entries to reflect your level of bias."
AuPh
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
> > > "You ain't exactly whistling dixie..." < < <
True, I'm not the guy who's waving a confederate flag and screaming the south shall rise again! ;0)
AuPh
You have far more in common with the mcdonald's crowd than you're letting on, and the more you post about these issues, the more apparent that becomes.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
Hey, Jazz baby, you really should consider changing your moniker to Dory Fishmate! If your mental reel-to-reel 'tape' didn't routinely shed oxides and suffer frequent drop outs causing short term memory loss then perhaps you wouldn't be quite so inclined toward misrepresenting what folks tell you. Isn't that better than getting your panties in a bunch when folks call you on your inflammatory remarks and disinformation?
BTW, there's no reason to throw a tantrum every time you misplace your pompoms. After the constant pummeling you've gotten while muddying the field I'm sure that those were taken to the laundry for a good cleaning along with your cheer-leader's tunic. :O)
> > > "you have admitted quality is not a concern of yours and cost was a major factor" < < <
Quality is always an issue, but there's virtually no difference in PQ between HD-DVD and Blu-ray, so what's your point, if you have one?
Also, when did I ever say that cost was a MAJOR factor? Please link the post and full context. Cost is usually A factor with every purchase unless one has a money is no object perspective, but in respect to the choice of a format cost was well behind selection of movies in degree of importance. I've pointed this out to you several times already.
One last time: When I bought my Toshiba player there were quite a few more available HD-DVD films that I wanted than Blu-ray titles; THAT was the primary factor. Got it?
Finally, cost was never promoted in rank to a MAJOR anything! You should be court marshaled, sent to Gitmo and forced to do your cheer-leading toward Mecca five times a day for terrorizing this board with your bogus assertions! ;O)
The words that you've attributed to me are your own words; please keep them to yourself, even when doing cartwheels for other fan-boys.
> > > "You have far more in common with the mcdonald's crowd than you're letting on, and the more you post about these issues, the more apparent that becomes." < < <
Dude, you just don't know when to let up, do you? I'll put it this way: The more WHOPPERS you flip the more obvious it becomes that you're just a Burger King tosser (British slang intended).
Cheers (Rah! Rah!),
AuPh :o)
That may be fine for the leather clothes you wear, but you're not going to win any arguments against the higher capacity HD format with your mcdonald's mantra wherein your hero is the "average consumer".
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
THE BIGGER THE LIE, THE MORE OFTEN IT'S TOLD, THE MORE FOLKS WILL BUY IT! Rah! Rah!
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
(nt)
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
...and until you can demonstrate across the board using non-anecdotal comparisons that capacity makes a noticeable difference in PQ and overall performance, your arguments to the contrary will remain weak.
AuPh
Nothing really exciting in either format. The Pianist has been available on HD DVD in the UK for almost a year now.
I'll pick up Zodiac on HD DVD and the 2 BCI titles on BD, and that's about it. I'm going to wait on Sunshine to see if it actually plays, since it will be 1.1 and from Fox.
Jack
Zodiac? Ok, enjoy.
You're incapable of seeing my point here? You don't see a large disparity in the number of titles being rolled out? Why am I surprised? You can't acknowledge the more important disparity so why am I expecting you to acknowledge this one?
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
This forum is pathetic. Worse than SACD and DVD-A combined ever was! I'd rather peruse other HD forums.
That BD has more bad titles? whoopee.
I seem to remember early in the year when the blu-brigade was chanting, "CONTENT IS KING!". Hows that working out for you?Don't blame the lack of mass adaption on the format war, that's just a cop out. Its at least partly due to the lack of quality titles. Unfortunately, people like you who feel they should buy to support the format instead of buying to enjoy the movie only perpetuate the problem since the studios know you'll buy anything.
Both formats deserve niche status.
Jack
Which comes first--the titles you want or mass-adoption of a format?
I think the answer is pretty clear. No content provider is going to the trouble to spiff up their films for HD production until they are guaranteed a certain volume of sales, and that volume will never be achieved as long as a format war stands in the way of mass-market adoption. If you want good titles, you will have to get behind one format and push for it to succeed. I know you think my posts are motivated by me being an asshole and cheerleader and fanboy, etc., but you should at some point entertain the possibility that I recognize certain market factors, if not features of the formats that make one superior to the other.
Or not. You can just continue to pretend market factors and capacity are irrelevant and playing both sides of the fence is the way to go. Up to you.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
The studios are going to have to pony up to get people's attention and interest. Think about it The studios are making big bucks, Paramount made $1.2 Billion last year. Putting out HD titles requires an investment, but it isn't that big, and in many cases, they already made the 4K intermediate for their latest remastered DVD. They don't need to sell that many discs to make their investment back. After that, its all profit. If they have to wait a few months or so, fine-its still money in the bank to them. That's why studios like their catalog titles.
All of the studios have GREAT titles in their vaults. It wouldn't hurt them to put them on HD. If it takes a while for the numbers to roll in, they'll still get their profits in the long run. The idea of putting out drek, or catering to gamers just alienates the very people they are trying to attract.EDIT: The reason I bought a BD player (2 actually) is mostly for the catalog titles. I couldn't care less about most of the current releases these day.
If studios can make big bucks providing downloadable content to reach a mass audience, why would they bother footing the bill for production of HD DVD and/or blu-ray to reach a niche audience?
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
Apparently you didn't either. They put out crap on SACD that most people didn't want. I bought into it, but stopped after 6 months, because there was nothing I wanted on the format. I bought maybe a dozen SACDs. That was it.
Jack
Way too many crap titles and not nearly enough quality films for my taste, which admittedly is primarily foreign, classic and independent releases. I'm the classic Criterion buyer. So far the most exciting hi def releases to me are Children of Men, Pan's Labyrinth, 2001, Master & Commander, Pride and Prejudice, Goodfellas etc. I could hardly care less about most titles released so far.
But I didn't expect anything else from either camp. The movies I would buy won't sell in huge numbers anyhoot. I'm buying In My Father's Den on German BD - that title won't even be released in SD in the US until next month.
So I still need a BD or HD-DVD player that is region free and will do the PAL> NTSC conversion.
I'm not married to either format. I'm just annoyed that we even have this format war in the first place.
HD DVD seems to have a better, albeit small, collection of classics and more adult oriented movies. BD seems to lean more towards kiddie movies.
Jack
Yet people with very similar taste in films have adopted both.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
Any must-have titles in either format? The only movies that I've watched before are Life of Brian and Initial D, and I am definitely interested in Initial D (great street racing / drifting action)
I'm partial to The Pianist. But a Holocaust film from Polanski will not exactly fly off the HD DVD shelves. I certainly won't be buying a Toshiba on account of it.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
...indefinitely postponed Blu-ray...* 1,000 Places to See Before You Die: 50 Favorite Destinations (Image)
* 50 Paintings from the Museum of Modern Art (Image)
* The Amazing World of National Geographic (Image)
* The Amityville Horror (1979) (MGM)
* Art Wolfe: Vanishing Act (Image)
* Battle of Britain (MGM)
* Bell Witch: The Movie (Big River)
* A Bridge Too Far (MGM)
* Bug (Lionsgate)
* Celine Dion: A New Day... Live in Las Vegas (Sony BMG)
* Commando (Fox)
* Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (Sony)
* The Da Vinci Code (Sony)
* Dances with Wolves (MGM)
* Dodgeball (Fox)
* Dude, Where's My Car? (MGM)
* Gattaca (Sony)
* Glory (Sony)
* Hannibal (MGM)
* The Hoax (Buena Vista)
* I, Robot (Fox)
* Ice Age (Fox)
* Independence Day (Fox)
* Led Zeppelin: The Song Remains the Same (Warner)
* Legends of the Fall (Sony)
* Marie Antoinette (Sony)
* Meatballs (Sony)
* The Princess Bride (MGM)
* The Professionals (Sony)
* Red Dawn (MGM)
* Ronin (MGM)
* Sense and Sensibility (Sony)
* The Silence of the Lambs (MGM)
* Starship Troopers (Sony)
* The Thomas Crown Affair (1999) (MGM)
* Tristan & Isolde (Fox)
* Turistas (Fox)
* Winged Migration (Sony)...and now, postponed HD-DVD...
* Bell Witch: The Movie (Big River)
* Flashdance (Paramount)
* Ghost (Paramount)
* Golgo 13 (BCI)
* The Jack Ryan Collection (Paramount)
* The Jason Bourne Collection (Universal)
* Led Zeppelin: The Song Remains the Same (Warner)
* An Officer and a Gentleman (Paramount)
* Saturday Night Fever (Paramount)
* That's the Way of the World (BCI)So, Sherlock, what can you deduce from this imbalance? Have you figured out how many of the Blu-ray titles listed in your prior post will have scheduled release dates come and go without the actual title making an appearance on the shelves? Using your legendary logic and powers of deductive reasoning tell us how many of those movies will have their overly ambitious release dates canceled altogether. Apparently, only 10 HD-DVD titles have been postponed; it would appear that Blu-ray is having much greater problems meeting it's schedules. Food for thought.
BTW, of all the titles listed among the scheduled releases for both formats only two of the upcoming films appealed enough for me to consider rushing out and buying them: on Blu-ray, Master and Commander is quite appealing, even though I already own the standard release, and for HD-DVD, Beowulf. Unlike Master and Commander, Beowolf is on my HD must have list. So, that would be one for the red guys and a definite maybe for blu-boys. Also, until Blu-ray takes Starship Troopers off of the MIA list, I have no reason to consider purchasing a second player to perform Blu-ray functions.
Th-th-th-that's all folks!
Cheers,
AuPh
Starship Troopers is actually out on BD, at least here in Australia. See the link to one of our local resellers who will ship it to you in the US if you want it but if it's out here I'd think it was already out there.
That's the only error I can pick off hand and I can only pick that one because I saw the BD disc on sale 2 days ago.
David Aiken
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actually we got Battlestar Galactica Season 3 on DVD before you also :-)
David Aiken
I have bought from that store before. Shipping tends to be almost as much as the discs. :(
The shipping cost problem is one we face here regularly since most components are imported and so are quite a few discs, both video and music, though there is a fair amount of local pressing. Local pressing doesn't seem to result in lower prices, however.
David Aiken
Like Jack pointed out, the robust region restrictions would likely prohibit a U.S. Blu-ray player from playing an Australian Blu-ray title; since Starship Troopers is one of my favorite guilty pleasure flicks I can't see investing in a copy when I can't obtain a region free Blu-ray player to play it on. :o(
AuPh
I seem to remember reading something about the BD zone restriction only holding for a year after the disc's release. I was never clear what that meant, whether it was that after a year they would press zone free discs on reissues (if any) or whether the year date was coded on the software somewhere and the disc could be played anywhere after 12 months.
If it's the latter, it may be worthwhile getting a zone 2 copy and waiting.
Ordinary DVD players are zone free here in Australia after a court decision some years ago, but I don't know if the companies have followed through on that with hi-def machines released locally.
As for Starship Troopers and guilty pleasure, I think that sums it up very nicely. There are great films and there are fun films, and it's a damn good fun film. That's nothing to be sneezed at in my book.
David Aiken
> > I seem to remember reading something about the BD zone restriction only holding for a year after the disc's release. I was never clear what that meant, whether it was that after a year they would press zone free discs on reissues (if any) or whether the year date was coded on the software somewhere and the disc could be played anywhere after 12 months. < <
There was a rumor floating around about the former. It was just that - a rumor. It appears to have disappeared off the rumor list.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
:o)
Seeing Beaowolf in a theater for free was almost to high a price of admission. Who the heck stole Robert Zemeckis' soul whan I wasn't looking?
...but we already the standard definition release of it which is a pretty nice transfer and Beowulf was a guilty pleasure both my wife and I thought was a rip-roaring ride; this CGI workout is one that should benefit greatly from HD mastering regardless of format.
Cheers,
AuPh
I forgot about all of the BD Postponements/cancellations. I look forward to CES for another long list of titles that will be canceled. :-)
Jack
I'd pick up "Master & COmmander" but I'm not sure about "Beowulf". I saw this in 3-D at the Colleyville IMAX theater 3 weeks ago which might be the way I'd want to see it again. Nice place and fairly uncrowded (maybe nobody knows about this place yet).
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