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In Reply to: RE: Blu-ray will have price parity and probable features superiority within the year. posted by oscar on December 25, 2007 at 19:15:07
BD players won't be as cheap as HD DVD players. Even 1.0 players aren't. Sure, there will be an occasional sale, but they won't be as cheap. The manufacturers don't want to sell them cheap. They would have no reason to make them if you take away the high profits. That's the whole point of BD.>>>The only issue is has this technical superiority manifested itself in discernible PQ/SQ differences?<<<
It certainly does not manifest itself as a difference on my 1080p TV.
Jack
EDIT: As for features, where are all of the 1.1 and 2.0 compliant players? Why has it taken the BDA over a year to get where HD DVD was when it launched?
Edits: 12/26/07Follow Ups:
Here in Australia the Toshiba players are dearer than in the US. So of course are the BD players but the difference between them is nowhere near the same and it seems from what I've seen that Toshiba—note: HD DVD released 2 months after BD here, not months before it as in the US—simply pegged the price of their cheapest machine around $100 Australian or so under the cheapest BD player and have kept it there. There other prices are in the same price range as BD and sale prices occasionally seem to bring a BD machine down to the same price as the cheapest Toshiba or very close to it.
I'd say that parity, or very close to it, already exists here. I suspect that the price of HD DVD machines in the US is artificially low as HD DVD tries to capture the lead in a significant market. They'll probably continue to keep them artificially low while the format war rages but if neither side wins and the outcome is co-existence I would definitely expect you to see parity in the US.
Even while the format war continues, I would expect to see the price gap narrow between HD DVD and BD in the US. As prices get lower, there's less room to make large reductions in pricing and the gap has to narrow. One side will always have to have the cheapest machine but when the rest of the machines on that side fall into the same price range as the competing side as is the case here in Australia, it's arguable that parity has effectively been achieved unless you're want to see exact equality of price at the lowest level. I expect the situation in the US will end up mirroring the situation here at some point if it already does not.
David Aiken
> > > I suspect that the price of HD DVD machines in the US is artificially low as HD DVD tries to capture the lead in a significant market. < < <
That's the point. Here in the US, toshiba is willing to accept a razor thin margin. I don't think the BD player manufacturers are willing to do that. Hell, Sony is selling the PS3 at a *loss*, and they still can't match HD DVD player prices.> > > They'll probably continue to keep them artificially low while the format war rages but if neither side wins and the outcome is co-existence I would definitely expect you to see parity in the US. < < <
Yes, HD DVD player prices will be kept low. Eventually BD players may reach parity, but I doubt it will be in the next year, and only if China starts making them.
Jack
EDIT: The new Denon is $2K. The newest Sony, the ES model is > $1K, and its only video 1.0. It looks like prices are going up. Where are all the cheap BD players?
New technologies fall in price as they become more entrenched. It happens with every single product from the wheel to cellphones, and it's truly bizarre that you think blu-ray is in its own unique category, distinct from everything else known to man. There is nothing about 1.1 or 2.0 that makes it more expensive than HD DVD players. And as far as that goes, my player was upgraded to 1.1 for free without even leaving its shelf. A similar upgrade will bring it to 2.0 compliance and any future firmware advance. It's a nonissue.> > It certainly does not manifest itself as a difference on my 1080p TV. < <
Are you sure you have enough experience viewing material optimized for both formats to make that call? Industry insiders who do have that experience disagree with you on that. And then there is the issue of audio content, which you can only address by admitting you don't really care about it.
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