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In Reply to: RE: I wanted Blu-Ray to win from the beginning posted by AbeCollins on January 05, 2008 at 20:17:42
but my wife got me the S300 SONY for Christmas. I wanted the PS3 because of its dual use nature. I figured even if Blu-ray fizzled I could still play games. I really wish she had paid more attention and left the S300 in the store. As far as I'm concerned, the Blu-ray picture quality is little better than either my 1080p upsampling Oppo 980, my 1080i upsampling Panny S77 or (especially) my older 480p DENON DVD-3800. Seriously. The DENON is a true high-end machine which shames both of the newer players, IMO. Unfortunately it is somewhat unreliable though.
I have limited experience with the Blu-ray player so far but am not really too impressed. Yeah, Spiderman III looks cool (it came packed in the box with the S300), but Sky Captain, The Sopranos Season 6, Hellboy, and Shooter look no better than their regular DVD counterparts. If I were to guess right now, my bet is that BOTH formats fail. Word will get around fast that they basically offer little advantage (if that turns out to be the case). Like I said though, my experience so far is limited but I have to admit I am not impressed or very optimistic at this point. We'll see.
Cheers, Joe
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and instead was watching upconverted SD. The difference is not enough for Joe SP. Nor could it be, as lmited by 1080P in stores. What is JSP going to see on a screen in Best Buy\Costco that will make him buy Blu Ray?
I don't have any of those movies, so I cannot comment on them. My experience has been that while my BDs look better than DVDs, most are only about average by HD standards. It appears to me that the BDA seems to be focusing efforts mostly on a few high profile, high CGI, kiddie movies, while letting the rest slide into mediocrity. That doesn't Bode well IMO.
Jack
Are you guys sure your eyes are working properly? The difference between DVD and BD are not subtle, except for a couple titles such as "House of Flying Daggers". The Sopranos Blu-ray sets have stunning definition and detail. DVD doesn't even come close and neither do HBO's HD broadcasts, although those were clearly far superior to DVD too.
I never said Bds looked like DVD. In fact, if you use DVDs as your standard, as you seem to do, then most BDs and HD DVDs look fantastic. That said, I don't judge HD by SD standards, I judge it by HD standards, a different scale. Great compared to DVD may be good enough for you, but great to me means compared to other HD discs. Not every disc of either format is great by my definition, most of both formats are average or mediocre by HD standards.
Jack
The post you replied to did indeed suggest that Blu-ray was no great shakes compared to DVD and you said absolutely nothing to indicate that you don't share that position. In fact, I did reread your post and you implied that you agreed with that observation. You didn't outright state it, but you certainly didn't correct Joe's erroneous observations. You also implied the BDA is dictating to studios which titles to release, which is absurd.
And as for your above post, what a concept--there is some variability from title to title. That reminds me of, heck, every other type of product in existence. Why you hold Blu-ray to bizarre standards remains a mystery to me. Different filmstock alone can account for some of the variability from title to title. If your goal is to have every speck of film grain removed using posproduction techniques so that HD content on blu-ray all looks homogeneous regardless of source material, we're going to have to agree to disagree on that.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
> > > The post you replied to did indeed suggest that Blu-ray was no great shakes compared to DVD and you said absolutely nothing to indicate that you don't share that position. < < <
I wrote this "My experience has been that while my BDs look better than DVDs, most are only about average by HD standards."
I don't know how you can interpret that as you did.
> > > Why you hold Blu-ray to bizarre standards remains a mystery to me. < < <
So, you think I should hold them to DVD standards instead? BTW, its the same standards I hold HD DVDs too.
> > > f your goal is to have every speck of film grain removed using posproduction techniques so that HD content on blu-ray all looks homogeneous regardless of source material, we're going to have to agree to disagree on that. < < <
That's the second time you have accused me of that. I have no idea where you get that from.
Do you honestly believe that all transfers and compressions for BD are equal and perfect?
Jack
If you mean that "only average HD" is pretty darn detailed and spectacular, we are in agreement, but the adverb-adjective description of "only average" doesn't usually indicate quality. It seems to me that you are hypercritical of Blu-ray and have preconditioned yourself to be unhappy with the format. But the same can be said of most folks who hang out at AVS.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
I hold HD, all formats to a higher standard. They are capable of much more than what we've had for years with DVD, and I expect them to deliver. Hell, even my worst HD DVD, BSG, is better than the DVD, but its still pretty bad for HD. We've seen that the best HD can be sublime, and while I don't expect it 100% of the time, I do expect it more than what we are getting, which in my collection is about 10% for both formats. Yes, average HD still STOMPS SD.
And, for the record, I do not like DNR, and canceled my order of Pan's labyrinth when i found out they used noise reduction on the US versions.
> > > But the same can be said of most folks who hang out at AVS. < < <
You only think that because you and many other people who hang out at bluray.com are so extreme. They have selected for that kind of person. Yes, I do wish BD had a better selection of titles.
Jack
Sadly, HD, all formats, doesn't always deliver. In fact, I find issues with virtually all movies, HD DVD, Blu-ray, and even the movie theater film for that matter. And a lot of those issues can be blamed on the original master tape unfortunately.
I find the movies on the 50G discs consistently come closest to "delivering the goods" than other HD media movies. YMMV.
That is exactly my point. I don't get orgasms just because a movie may be in HD.
I will say though, that Bourne Ultimatum and Blade Runner are better than most of the movies I have on BD-50.
As a side note, I do seem to be relatively insensitive to Edge Enhancement. I think this may be a blessing for me. :-)
Jack
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
> > You only think that because you and many other people who hang out at bluray.com are so extreme. < <
Advocating the high-capacity format is logical. Advocating the lower capacity one or both is illogical. It's as simple as that.
> > They have selected for that kind of person. < <
AVS has selected for people who can't admit one format is superior to the other despite a 20 gig disparity in what the formats can hold! Do you have any idea how screwy that is.
> > Yes, I do wish BD had a better selection of titles. < <
It will. It's a relatively new format and judging new formats by available titles is premature until it gets more entrenched.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
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