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In Reply to: RE: Assessing has nothing to do with it. Ken Graffeo's idiotic stance is all this is about posted by Jazz Inmate on January 17, 2008 at 10:34:09
of HD DVD movies.
His statement does NOT prevent Universal from going neutral:-)
Follow Ups:
The revenues would be far less than if he would start releasing Blu-ray...so yes, he is an idiot and no, he is not thinking logically or evaluating the numbers carefully. Only a fool goes down with a sinking ship, unless something irreplaceable is on board. In this case, the other ship has better cargo, crew, capacity and cash.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
I don't think he'd hold out if the latest sales ratios continue. I suspect Universal is already working up plans to produce Blu-ray movies in the event Toshiba can't turn things around.
If Universal wanted to be spiteful. That said, I expect them to switch or go neutral in Q3.
Jack
Unless something dramatically changes to alter the Blu-ray sales dominance, Universal will give up on HD DVD fairly soon. But that's what I think which may have nothing in common with what Graffeo thinks.
...but we'll see! :o)
Cheers,
AuPh
If Paramount goes Blu soon, Uni will too. Conversely, if they stay red, Uni may stay red for quite a while.
Jack
Star Trek is the "Tiffany" franchise of the Paramount network; I'd wager that the Original Series 1st season sold quite well in HD even though it was a significant investment (albeit, well worth it, IMO); I'm pretty sure that we weren't the only folks who bought that 1st season, Jack (grin)! So, if Paramount unceremoniously dumps HD and switches to Blu-ray I'm sure that there'll be some apprehension about walking away and ignoring long-time fans who've already invested heavily with the expectation of purchasing seasons 2 & 3 in HD (which I believe Paramount announced just prior to the Warner bombshell)?It will be interesting to see how this all falls out. :o)
AuPh
The problem with Star Trek, is that the HD DVD combo is the *only* version of it-there is no DVD version. Since Blu cannot do combos, that causes problems if Paramount goes blue. Perhaps they will put it out on both. It would definitely be a step up for BD.
Jack
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
;0)
Who knows and who cares. If the HD DVD camp had any sense, they'd fold and start releasing HD DVD only titles on Blu-ray immediately.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
It's so stupid to drag this out.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
;0)
When Warner went public, the ratio went 85:15 in a week. Warner will have problems selling their Harry Potter HD DVD stock at this level,
just look at the amazon sales ranks.
When Universal go public with blu the ratio goes maybe 95:05.
So the HD DVD stock must be sold before Universal can go neutral.
However Graffo cannot lie in public, so his statement is carefully worded.
You are simply impatient:-)
You're telling me that a decision that could potentially bring Universal's home movie business the most revenue over the next ten years is being held up over a handful of HD DVD titles that amount to a drop in the bucket? That just doesn't make sense. That's like my CEO nixing the release of our new instrument that will net millions of dollars because we have existing stock on older instruments that are worth a few thousand. No one in the industry thinks like that and I don't believe Graffo does. If Warner's CEO used that logic, the studio would never go Blu and this thing would drag on forever.The 85:15 ratio last week reflects Lionsgate's 3:10 to Yuma being exclusively blu, many more blu customers from the holiday season and a virtual snoozefest on the HD DVD release front. The increasingly blu ratio means that you can tap into a much bigger market by announcing you will go exclusively blu than by piddling about, trying to sell a couple Harry Potter HD DVDs--which is exactly why Warner made its decision to drop HD DVD. They make hella good coasters.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
... of 'facts' not in evidence. You've assumed that all those folks purchasing inexpensive HD-DVD players will immediately go out and buy a Blu-ray player or PS3 game-machine (for movies) that's more expensive instead of buying up the existing HD titles currently available and then demanding more. The ratio is skewed by the sales of what is in current release, not reflective of popular titles released exclusively to HD or on both formats, but ratio or no ratio, why would Joe Public want to invest in another technology (BD) that apparently still isn't ready for prime time?No, I suspect that there'll be a lot of frustrated and disappointed customers who'll say "a pox on both your houses" for the two camps failing to resolve these issues amicably long ago. Many will probably go back to buying standard DVDs and upscaling to near HD quality on their new Toshiba players after being hung out to dry by Warner's decision following the holiday fire-sales.
Some of this attitude can be laid at the scratching feet of Chicken Little cheer-leaders and fanatical fan-boys who did their best to inject bias into this volatile situation. While Blu-ray has always been an attractive concept SONY has only been able to remain competitive through guile, by bullying and/or pandering to movie studios while issuing premium priced products incapable of keeping pace with developing HD specifications. IMHO, not only was this a disservice to their prospective customers, but to the development of a healthy market for selling the new HD technologies to the public at large. Ironically, it's SONY and Blu-rays rabid supporters who've done the most to place both of these formats on death watch.
The pompom carriers whined about the potential death of HD formats and ominous threat of internet movie providers looming on the horizon, but by running down one format to the exclusion of other possibilities they've only succeeded in backing their fan-boy vans up to the downloading dock so that bitstream providers can present them with a bill of lading.
AuPh
That makes a lot of sense, both as market analysis and as a strategy for the beset viewer.
clark
> > Ironically, SONY and it's rabid supporters, like you and OLC, have helped put both HD disc formats on life support. < <
You're delusional. All we've done is adopted the superior format. You had the misfortune of hastily adopting the inferior format. That's your problem, but don't blame us for your poor decision.
> > You whined about the potential death of HD formats and ominous threat of internet movie providers looming on the horizon, but by running down one format to the exclusion of other possibilities you've only succeeded in backing your fan-boy vans up to the downloading dock so that bitstream providers can accept your anti-climactic bill of lading. < <
First of all, by your own logic, you are in the same boat as me, as you've adopted only one format to the exclusion of the other. But the bigger picture, that you're still apparently too stupid to understand, is that a market bearing two formats that claim to do the same thing--like DVD-A and SACD or VHS and beta--is confusing to consumers. They will not enter that market until it is clear which format to buy. I'm very sorry you're too stupid to understand this very simple principle that has been proven time and again. Here again, for your edification, is Kevin Tsujihara, President, Warner Bros. Home Entertainment Group:
"A two-format landscape has led to consumer confusion and indifference toward high definition, which has kept the technology from reaching mass adoption and becoming the important revenue stream that it can be for the industry."
http://www.timewarner.com/corp/newsroom/pr/0,20812,1700383,00.html
What do you disagree with there?
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
> > > "First of all, by your own logic, you are in the same boat as me, as you've adopted only one format to the exclusion of the other." < < <
But unlike you I've adopted one at less expense in anticipation of a dual format solution. So, who's your daddy now? ;0)
> > > "But the bigger picture, that you're still apparently too stupid to understand, is that a market bearing two formats that claim to do the same thing--like DVD-A and SACD or VHS and beta--is confusing to consumers." < < <
There's nothing confusing about players which can handle both formats. The SONY fan-boy solution is to kill the competition and screw the early adopters, but that's the kind of solution that makes consumers suspicious of the electronic marketplace to begin with.
Look at the various HDMI specifications designed to maximize 1080P resolution and lossless audio.
How many 1.3 or 1.3a capable receivers are on the market as I write this? Most folks would find it 'confusing' buying a receiver that they assumed would be up-to-date with next generation specs only to learn that the 1.2 interface available on most current receivers doesn't provide the deep color specs and 'all important' lossless audio required for future-proof compliance.
Kevin Tsujihara, President, Warner Bros. Home Entertainment Group:
> > > "A two-format landscape has led to consumer confusion and indifference toward high definition..." < < <
I disagree with his premise; he is assuming that the indifference is directly attributable to the availability of two formats, but one could just as easily attribute the marketing problem as coming from upconverting players which can improve standard DVD to near HD levels, or from the high price of Blu-ray hardware and HD movies (both formats) in retail stores, or all the reported glitches in hardware (mostly Blu-ray), or frequently changing HDMI specifications.
In fairness to Warner's President, what Kevin Tsujihara is saying is an obvious reaction to both a real and a perceived marketing problem. The easiest solution from his standpoint is to shorten the war by exerting an in-house initiative that sides with one format and makes Warner appear the strongest studio. He has done that, and in the short term Warner can only benefit from taking the initiative, but arguably it isn't the best solution nor does it guarantee a bigger market share for Warner BD sales down the line.
Keep your pompoms dry, hotshot, and don't try calling another truce! No one around here is likely to trust anything you say until you can produce a white flag! ;^D
AuPh
> > But unlike you I've adopted one at less expense in anticipation of a dual format solution. So, who's your daddy now? < <
Where's your dual format solution? Where's your BD collection? Where's any tangible sign you support Blu-ray in the slightest? I am well aware that you THINK you support both formats, but that's just another sign of your insanity. The fact is that you DON'T support both formats. If you intended to, well, that's neither here nor there. What's the saying--the path to hell is paved with good intentions. The fact is that you support only HD DVD.
> > There's nothing confusing about players which can handle both formats. < <
No, but there is confusion about the outcome of this little thing called a FORMAT WAR. The cost of the player is one thing (and as much as you whine about the expense of BD players, dual-format players are far more expensive). The cost of investing in discs that may go the way of the dodo at any time is quite another. Maybe you should have thought about that before adopting HD DVD.
> > Look at the various HDMI specifications designed to maximize 1080P resolution and lossless audio. How many 1.3 or 1.3a capable receivers are on the market as I write this? Most folks would find it 'confusing' buying a receiver that they assumed would be up-to-date with next generation specs only to learn that the 1.2 interface available on most current receivers doesn't provide the deep color specs and 'all important' lossless audio required for future-proof compliance. < <
Yep. Another reason consumers have been reluctant to buy in to HD technology.
> > I disagree with his (Warner Home Video President's) premise; < <
Well, gee. Whose expertise should I respect more? The president of the most successful home video division of all the studios, or some dude on a bulletin board who can't even acknowledge the importance of capacity in HD media.
> > he is assuming that the indifference is directly attributable to the availability of two formats, but one could just as easily attribute the marketing problem as coming from upconverting players which can improve standard DVD to near HD levels, or from the high price of Blu-ray hardware and HD movies (both formats) in retail stores, or all the reported glitches in hardware (mostly Blu-ray), or frequently changing HDMI specifications. < <
Consumers need a clear choice or they don't buy, and that's the bottom line. You muddy the waters and you muck up your sales.
> > The easiest solution from his standpoint is to shorten the war by exerting an in-house initiative that sides with one format and makes Warner appear the strongest studio. He has done that, and in the short term Warner can only benefit from taking the initiative, but arguably it isn't the best solution nor does it guarantee a bigger market share for Warner BD sales down the line. < <
You simply are ignoring the obvious. Warners decision gives consumers more confidence that Blu-ray is the way to go, and consumers are now more likely to buy Blu-ray. The installed base of Blu-ray players will therefore increase more quickly and sales of BDs will also grow more quickly. Warner takes a big piece of that pie.
> > Keep your pompoms dry, hotshot, and don't try calling another truce! No one around here is likely to trust anything you say until you can produce a white flag! < <
If you want to keep fighting, auph, you'll just keep losing.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
> > > "Where's any tangible sign you support Blu-ray in the slightest?" < < <If the Blu-ray or dual format players don't come down in price I may just hold onto that disc as a collectable or sell it on ebay since it's a title which won't be released in this region until late this year.
> > > "Well, gee. Whose expertise should I respect more? The president of the most successful home video division of all the studios, or some dude on a bulletin board who can't even acknowledge the importance of capacity in HD media." < < <
You should respect my expertise more since I'm not a format fanboy or a multi-national corporate CEO with a marketing agenda. You still haven't figured out that capacity is of little value if it isn't properly used and I don't know of any "High Resolution for Dummies" books available at Barnes & Noble to assist technology challenged folks such as yourself. ;0)
> > > "Consumers need a clear choice or they don't buy, and that's the bottom line. You muddy the waters and you muck up your sales." < < <
Shwoooosh! (over your head) You completely missed the point! There is NO clear choice; the waters are muddied by:
1) upconverting players with near HD resolution
2) higher priced Blu-ray hardware and HD movies (both formats)
3) hardware glitches (mostly 'not-ready-for-prime-time' players)
4) shifting HDMI specifications & no future proof hardware
Consumers have been told to wait on the sidelines by critics and experts who see nothing but confusion, the least of which comes from the two clearly identified competing formats. Only brick and mortar retailers would find these two formats problematic, and that's because of limited shelf space.
> > > "Warners decision gives consumers more confidence that Blu-ray is the way to go, and consumers are now more likely to buy Blu-ray." < < <
That sounds like a faith-based marketing strategy. BTW, before you joined the 'circus' and started doing cart-wheels and back-flips for Blu-ray your previous job wouldn't happen to have been as a salesman in the home mortgage lending industry, would it? ;0)
Ciao,
AuPh
> > You should respect my expertise more since I'm not a format fanboy or a multi-national corporate CEO with a marketing agenda. < <First of all, you are a fanboy of HD DVD and you have no expertise. Secondly, the Warner CEO is Meyer. We're talking about the president of the Home Video Division of Warner. Thirdly, that division has been releasing both HD DVD and BD formats for many months. There has been much thought and deliberation prior to their decision--as there was with my decision. The studios and consumers who do their homework realize that BD is the way to go.
> > You still haven't figured out that capacity is of little value if it isn't properly used < <
We've discussed this already and you've been told that capacity is of enormous importance and that the 30 gb cap on HD DVD has dumbed down HD content for both formats. If given the chance to adopt a 50 gig format or a 30 gig format, only a moron would choose the 30 gig format.
> > Shwoooosh! (over your head) You completely missed the point! There is NO clear choice; the waters are muddied by:
1) upconverting players with near HD resolution
2) higher priced Blu-ray hardware and HD movies (both formats)
3) hardware glitches (mostly 'not-ready-for-prime-time' players)
4) shifting HDMI specifications & no future proof hardware < <Upconversion is nice, but it's basically like line doubling. It gives the illusion of HD, but for those who can honestly evaluate the picture (which rules you out), upconverted DVD doesn't cut it. The discussion is about HD formats. The higher priced Blu hardware is a temporary issue that isn't significant. As for hardware glitches, those aren't significant either, effecting a couple titles on players that have been discontinued, and then blown way out of proportion among Blu-ray haters like you on AVS. The PS3 has proven future proof, and as for HDMI specifications, that is a deterrent in upgrading to HDMI, but the broader issue is the fact that there is a format war.
> > Consumers have been told to wait on the sidelines by critics and experts who see nothing but confusion, the least of which comes from the two clearly identified competing formats. < <
That's a crock of shit. I can point you to dozens of articles that cite the dueling formats as the reason to stay on the sidelines. If the industry can unite behind one format, it will give millions of consumers the confidence to take the plunge.
> > Only brick and mortar retailers would find these two formats problematic, and that's because of limited shelf space. < <
Nope. It's a major issue among sane consumers (which excludes you).
... with empirical evidence.
> > > "First of all, you are a fanboy of HD DVD and you have no expertise." < < <
If you're serious, that would make you a liar on two counts, but I've never professed the kind of 'expertise' that you expect folks to take for granted when you go into cheer-leader mode.
> > > "Secondly, the Warner CEO is Meyer. We're talking about the president of the Home Video Division of Warner." < < <
Yes, but what has that to do with a corporate CEO having or not having a marketing agenda that takes consumer good will for granted?
> > > "Thirdly, that division has been releasing both HD DVD and BD formats for many months." < < <
True, but the timing of the decision to withdraw from that commitment, whether intentional or otherwise, could not have been designed more insidiously to hurt the maximum number of consumers. Many thousands of players had been sold during the holidays with a promise of many more new HD titles in the new year. The poor timing and apparent callousness of the decision forges trust issues that won't be easily forgiven or forgotten.
> > > "There has been much thought and deliberation prior to their decision..." < < <
And you know this how?
> > > "--as there was with my decision." < < <
BWAHAHAHAHA! Almost spewed my single malt, which would've been sacrilege on a scale that no gentleman of taste would forgive!
> > > "Upconversion is nice, but it's basically like line doubling." < < <
Call it what you will, but some upconverted DVD fare looks pretty darn good on my 10' screen, and while high resolution (1080I & 1080p) from an HD format offers an obvious improvement, some films upconvert so nicely that I suspect the average viewer would't see much value-added benefit to either HD or BD in a subjective A/B comparison.
> > > "That's a crock of shit. I can point you to dozens of articles that cite the dueling formats as the reason to stay on the sidelines. If the industry can unite behind one format, it will give millions of consumers the confidence to take the plunge." < < <
One can cite dozens of articles on any subject one chooses to bolster a given POV (many merely repeat the same interviews and opinions over and over), but providing the TRUTH, as opposed to conjecture reinforced by editorial opinion, is rare indeed!
To pull off such a feat you'd have to put down those blue pompoms & the honorary blue sequenced baton and avoid regurgitating the same ridiculous talking points over and over again. IOW, as Senor Wences would say: "You have to learn to think outside the box, Pedro!" ;0)
Cheers,
AuPh
For someone who can't do anything but blah blah about cheerleaders and pom-poms, you certainly have an inflated view of your analytical skills. I've told you why I chose blu-ray and why studios have. If you don't believe me, that's your prerogative to stumble through the format war like a clueless troll, clinging to your handful of HD DVDs and trying to belittle BD-adopters.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
Unfortunately, you don't appear to have learned much from the education I've provided. BTW, this wouldn't happen to be one of those capacity issues you were so concerned about? ;O)FTR, if I were a betting man I'd wager that you couldn't tell the difference between a Blu-ray disc & and HD-DVD disc set on equal HD resolutions in an A/B switching evaluation where you're unaware of which disc was playing on what player!
I'd also bet that you'd be too proud to admit you couldn't tell the difference, even if you thought you knew, for fear of having your pompoms repossessed by the Blu-ray consortium. ;0)
No offense, but it's time for you to quit bluffing and ante-up or get off the pot!
Ciao,
AuPh
Can't recall you posting anything helpful, let alone acknowledging basic facts about the formats.
Now you're acting like mtrycraft and asking for double-blind, placebo-controlled studies that you know aren't tenable. Even as you say that audio doesn't matter to you.
You really have become that which you most feared.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
...which is something that you've rarely done, and only then when it suits your agenda! You look for biased press pandering to one format or provide sock-puppet responses to Ole's posts which you apparently have a vested interest in supporting. My responses countered your one-size-fits-all region dictated approach that backs the still not-ready-for-prime-time format.> > > "You've called me a cheerleader..." < < <
If it slithers like a snake and hisses like a snake, ...then it's probably a snake!
Ciao,
AuPh
You've linked me to the website of an unemployed socialist who is a Microsoft "MVP" and who badmouths blu-ray on his blog. If you think he's nonbiased, you're a blithering idiot--well, you're a blithering idiot regardless.I usually go to wire reports or the Nielson data that in your infinite ignorance you have decided is "biased". The one exception has been comments by directors like Michael Bay and Spielberg who insist blu-ray is the way to go for reasons that amount to quality considerations.
What BD do you have, by the way? I noticed your reluctance to name it.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
...and I'm confident that you'll eventually figure out which film I ordered from Amazon.co.uk by the simple process of elimination (that's if you're capable of putting away those fluffy blue pompoms long enough to think about it).> > > "You've linked me to the website of an unemployed socialist who is a Microsoft "MVP" and who badmouths blu-ray on his blog." < < <
His comments made perfect sense and were based on reasonable observations about this war and facts; your decision to take pot-shots at the messenger rather than address the well founded points he presented is typical fan-boy schtick.
Here are more links of balanced observations about the HD/BD war:
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/08/toshibas-portable-hd-dvd-player-prototypes/
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Which_high_def_dvd_format_is_better_Blu-Ray_or_HD-DVD
http://asymptomatic.net/2007/01/05/31/my-understanding-of-the-blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd-format-war
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/35649/113/
There are lots more, but why should I waste my time feeding internet Dramamine to a pompom shaking fan-boy who prefers spinning ad nauseam to regaining his balance? ;0)
Ciao,
AuPh
I assume it's too silly of a title to mention, since you can't come right out and tell me. It's silly anyway, since you can't watch it. Also silly that you'd buy an import when for all you know, a domestic version could be released soon. But all of your buying decisions thus far have been stupid and your posts are getting more idiotic and desperate by the day.> > His comments made perfect sense and were based on reasonable observations about this war and facts; < <
But there were no facts in his blog. It was a bunch of half truths spun to demonize Sony and Blu-ray. Now that may seem factual if you're an airhead, but even you can't be so gullible as to believe any pro-HD DVD blog you read.
> > your decision to take pot-shots at the messenger rather than address the well founded points he presented is typical fan-boy schtick. < <
I did address his points and showed why they are anything but well-founded. But yes, I did find it pretty darn funny to click the "about the blogger" link and find out this nut was a socialist astronomer who is out of work and on MS's MVP list for free software. I mean, you couldn't have picked a more idiotic "expert" and if you just poked into the identity of your hero du jour for a moment, you would have realized he is an MS crackpot with no expertise in the HD formats and no finger on the pulse of the developments among the heavy hitters.
> > Here are more links of balanced observations about the HD/BD war:
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/08/toshibas-portable-hd-dvd-player-prototypes/ < <This is a link for toshiba's prototypes of HD DVD players that look more like lame, inflexible laptops that deliver only one application. Sounds like a real winner...if they introduce these, they'll have to end up slashing prices and giving them away like their standalone players. This isn't a balanced observation about the war; it's PR for an upcoming product that may never be introduced if HD DVD continues to lose market share to Blu-ray.
> > http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Which_high_def_dvd_format_is_better_Blu-Ray_or_HD-DVD < <
This is simply a question/answer post by someone who identifies himself as "superwoody". Meaning he wants people to think he has a big erection. I highly doubt this person is qualified to answer questions relating to Blu-ray or HD DVD and I see numerous factual errors in his post, as would anyone who follows the technologies.
> > http://asymptomatic.net/2007/01/05/31/my-understanding-of-the-blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd-format-war < <
This is a silly blog full of misinformation, not unlike the socialist's blog you liked. It's called "My Understanding of the Blu-ray vs HD-DVD Format War" and reads like a schoolkid's essay on "What I did for summer vacation". How you could mistake this crap for "empirical evidence" let alone a knowledgeable unbiased source points to your own idiocy. Most of the people replying to the blog seem more knowledgeable than the author does.
> > http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/35649/113/ < <
Auph, this reads like a list of reasons Blu-ray will win, with a couple comments after each one to the effect, "but it's still early and no one knows what will happen".
> > There are lots more, but why should I waste my time feeding internet Dramamine to a pompom shaking fan-boy who prefers spinning ad nauseam to regaining his balance? ;0) < <
Did I say "even you can't be so stupid to believe every HD DVD blog you read"? Gosh, you sure proved me wrong. You ARE that stupid.
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"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
> > > "I assume it's too silly of a title to mention, since you can't come right out and tell me. It's silly anyway, since you can't watch it. Also silly that you'd buy an import when for all you know, a domestic version could be released soon. But all of your buying decisions thus far have been stupid and your posts are getting more idiotic and desperate by the day." < < <
Silly must be your "new word for the day" since you used it three times in one paragraph. ;^D
You whine better than any fan-boy that I've ever seen; you must've been a riot in secondary school! Am I being presumptuous using the past tense?
> > > "I did address his points and showed why they are anything but well-founded. But yes, I did find it pretty darn funny to click the "about the blogger" link and find out this nut was a socialist astronomer who is out of work and on MS's MVP list for free software. I mean, you couldn't have picked a more idiotic "expert" and if you just poked into the identity of your hero du jour for a moment, you would have realized he is an MS crackpot with no expertise in the HD formats and no finger on the pulse of the developments among the heavy hitters." < < <
The points, the only ones of relevance, are those he presented. Your approach of personally attacking the messenger only serves to weaken you case and make your counter-points suspect.
> > > "This is a link for toshiba's prototypes of HD DVD players that look more like lame, inflexible laptops that deliver only one application. Sounds like a real winner...if they introduce these, they'll have to end up slashing prices and giving them away like their standalone players. This isn't a balanced observation about the war; it's PR for an upcoming product that may never be introduced if HD DVD continues to lose market share to Blu-ray." < < <
"look more like" - "Sounds like" - Where is the substance? More vapid speculation on your part, obviously geared toward disinformation and ridicule. Not only are you a renowned SONY Blu-boy cheer-leader, but you're apparently a 'substance' abuser on a grand scale! ;O)
> > > "Did I say "even you can't be so stupid to believe every HD DVD blog you read"? Gosh, you sure proved me wrong. You ARE that stupid." < < <
All I did was provide the links, except that I rarely open threads in order to flag opinions as if it's breaking "NEWS" (like you and your dutch uncle Ole, just to annoy folks who support other options) and I haven't been brainwashed into a one-size-fits-all theology.
Regards,
AuPh
squeeze concessions from the BDA.... It took several months for Warner's to plan their moves; I imagine it will take some time for Universal to get their act together on Blu-ray releases. Until then, why make any announcements until you've got product ready to sell (or at least in the replication plant queues), especially if you are trying to unload HD DVDs discs ?
Warner also has HD DVDs on retailer shelves, so I don't see how that is much different than Universal. The revenue from those HD DVD sales is negligible compared to what the studios stand to gain from mass-market support of Blu-ray. If Universal intends to go blu, why wait to announce it? What possible benefit would that serve? They're pissing off more people than they're appeasing...and the main thing being appeased is Graffeo's ego. He stuck out his neck by being such an outspoken supporter of HD DVD and he doesn't want to eat crow. But he better learn to like how it tastes.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
until January 4th 2008.
Universal have ZERO stock of Blu Ray. It will take about 3 months to build up a stock of Blu Ray.
If Universal today announce they go neutral, they will have close to ZERO sales of HD DVD, and ZERO sales of Blu Ray for 3 months.
So their 1stQ will be worse, if they follow your advice.
If Universal secretly build up Blu ray stock during the next 3 months,
they will sell HD DVD for 3 months, and then sell Blu Ray.
Over the next 1o years, they will sell the same amount of Blu ray, also if they wait 3 months. They control their movies! Nobody else can sell their Blu ray version.
Universal is calm and they will wait, you are impatient.
Warners case were very different, they had stock of both formats, and they did now in advance, what they would do 4th January.
So Warner could secretly reduce HD DVD stocks before Christmas.
I have seen companies go bankrupt by announcing new products too early.
But journalists of course have trouble understanding this :-)
...at least not the way studios define selling well. Sales of HD DVD are negligible to Universal. Their DVD sales and theater gross sales are far more important. You are pretending that Universal's financial well-being is riding on sales of HD DVD. That is just not true, and those who are buying Universal HD DVDs now, will continue buying them regardless of a blu announcement...especially if the price is knocked down.
I am very patient, but like Meyer (Warner CEO) said, there is a window of time to make an HD optical format succeed. Warner's case was not much different in terms of available HD DVD stock. Warner is a big company with significant DVD sales. We pretend these companies are riding on their HD numbers, but it's not true. I hope someday it will be, but now it isn't.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
that is what Universal do not want to do. This is also called "making less money."
I am not claiming Universals well being is riding on HD DVD, but making less money on a product in stock is always bad.
And Universal have nothing to gain by going neutral now.
The Blu Ray format is growing just fine anyway, and the format war is over in terms of movie sales.
HD downloads is future dream. Building the infrastructure will take 7-10 years for most of the population.
So Universal have 7-10 years to sell Blu Ray. No need to rush.
You fail to understand that consumer wishes and manufacturing realities are very different.
Prices of HD DVD went down too fast and too soon. Blu Ray showed that you can make more money now by charging more for the player and still sell the same number of players in USA in 2007.
The main purpose of Blu Ray is to demand more money from the consumer.
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