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Trails behind fast moving objects...

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JeffH

Had my heart set on buying a flat screen. Went to Best Buy during the Aussie Tennis Open specifically to pick out a 50 inch flat. I fiqured that would be a good test since I watch alot of tennis on TV. What I noticed was trails behind the tennis ball. I left really disappointed that for 2 to 5k I couldn't watch my favorite sport.
Truthfully, I have not done my homework, but will over the next month. I would hope that I can find a product suitable.

Is this common?
Should I wait for better technology?

Follow Ups:

With LCDs the "response time" has more to do with the blur than the frame rate... - SF tech 18:42:56 02/04/08 (1)
Displays that have a lower response time should exhibit less blur on fast moving objects.

Also, the displays in stores are often set to "torch mode" (picture settings maxed out) to give a "wow" factor in the showroom, and this can exacerbate the perception of motion "trails".

That said, LCD displays just don't respond as fast as CRTs, and will have more blur as a result.

Not sure how plasma displays stack up, but I suspect that they fall somewhere in betweeen.

SF
- plasma = 2 milliseconds - Joe Murphy Jr 18:52:37 02/04/08 (0)
  And I agree that the jacked-up contrast adds to a displays "trailing" qualities, especially LCD.
So, I will ask again............................ - Kal Rubinson 16:42:51 02/04/08 (2)
Which flat screens were you looking at?

Kal
- Sorry about that... - JeffH 23:07:38 02/04/08 (1)
  Possibly the Pioneer Kuro PDP-5080 HD. Note that this was really just a cursory & emotionally based shopping adventure. I would never purchase w/out doing some homework.
  - I was once in a high end store that had an atrocious signal going to a Runco - Jazz Inmate 12:27:28 02/05/08 (0)
    Any display can look bad if the wrong signal or source material is feeding it.
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Thanks for the follow up's... - JeffH 10:49:02 02/04/08 (1)
I'm not much of a TV/Movie guy, but thought enjoying my favorite sport (tennis) on larger flat screen would be nice. There is nothing wrong with my 36 inch JVC, so I guess I'll hold off until the technology catches up with my interests. What a bummer!
- I watched tennis quite a bit on the Pioneer plasma I bought in '02 - Jazz Inmate 13:56:13 02/04/08 (0)
  While the motion was not ideal on close-up shots, it was fine for the average court-sports, and even better for most field-sports (baseball, football). The new kuro plasmas have a couple generations worth of advances over that early plasma. I don't see how anyone could have an issue with them.
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fps - late 06:11:32 02/04/08 (1)
Movies and TV are just too slow. Your old TV was small enough that
the problems weren't bothersome. But if it was possible to get a 50 inch CRT,
you'd have a problem.

So you have 2 different problems, not one. The limitations of the formats and the technologies that use them.

Limiting the size helps with both. I suggest nothing larger than 40 inches.
Look at plasma, but just the really good ones, they seem to handle motion better. Jazz Inmate just got a hi end Pioneer that he likes.

You could also look for a used Sony KV-34XBR910, a 34 inch CRT that is just a very nice TV to live with.
- I don't have much of a problem with motion artifacts on - risabet 10:20:08 02/04/08 (0)
  my Pioneer PDP4310 43" model plasma or my small LCD (Samsung) in the bedroom. Bigger units I seen do have trails but proper set-up can minimize them.
"Should I wait for better technology?" No, the better technology passed. CRT - GTF 20:19:39 02/03/08 (11)
I don't know what I'm going to do when my SONY KV34XBR breaks.
LCD, DLP both suck in that respect.
I don't like the look of Plasma either. Compared to CRT.
- RE: "Should I wait for better technology?" No, the better technology passed. CRT - Hornlover 11:41:11 02/04/08 (7)
  I was a CRT fanatic as well, but finally got a Panasonic 50" plasma, and havent missed my old Sony Wega at all. I dont remember what, if anything, the CRT had that was superior. Maybe black level? If so its certainly not by much.
  - I'll go look at a Panny Plasma. - GTF 12:21:24 02/04/08 (6)
    Then I'll see.
    - RE: I'll go look at a Panny Plasma. - Hornlover 08:00:35 02/05/08 (0)
      I must add that most stores show the units as the come out of the box. Certainly not the best image quality. They need to be tweeked using a calibration disc. I googled the settings for my Panasonic, and found the proper settings on the internet. First thing I did after turning on the power was to go through and adjust the settings. It makes quite a difference. Out of the box, most mfrs. have them set up too bright and vivid in color, trying to catch the eye of the typical browser.
    - Next generation Pannys will be on the market in a couple of monthes. - jaiva 16:36:35 02/04/08 (0)
      I'd wait before buying.
    - Check out the new Pioneer Kuros while you're at it - Jazz Inmate 14:01:42 02/04/08 (3)
      The PRO-110FD destroyed the Panny and Sharp, in Home Theater magazine.
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      http://www.hometheatermag.com/plasmadisplays/907kuro/ (Open in New Window)
      - That Panny in question is a 6 series and not even a 7 series which most reviews said were very close to the - jaiva 16:33:32 02/04/08 (2)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Check out the new Pioneer Kuros while you're at it posted by Jazz Inmate on February 04, 2008 at 14:01:42
        
        Kuros for thousands less.
        
        something doesn't smell right - Joe Murphy Jr 18:36:22 02/04/08 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: That Panny in question is a 6 series and not even a 7 series which most reviews said were very close to the posted by jaiva on February 04, 2008 at 16:33:32
        
        I own a Panasonic 6 series plasma and, while it's an above average display, it can't compete with the Pioneer Kuros. And for the record, the 7 series Panasonics were only a very minor upgrade from the 6 series: still nowhere near the Kuros.
        
        Thousands less? - Jazz Inmate 18:10:49 02/04/08 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: That Panny in question is a 6 series and not even a 7 series which most reviews said were very close to the posted by jaiva on February 04, 2008 at 16:33:32
        
        I got my kuro for $3200. How many thousands less are you talking about?
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- plasma is the closest - Joe Murphy Jr 20:54:15 02/03/08 (2)
  Except for some obvious differences, plasma is closer to CRT that any other display technology (SED isn't going to make it to market). In my opinion, the better plasmas made today are equal to CRT (in the good things that CRT is known for, there are plenty bad ones as well). By Q3/Q4, the better plasmas will surpass anything CRT was best at and by Q3/Q4 09, there will be no contender for picture quality compared to plasma -- except for possibly OLED.
  - Q3/Q4 09 - GTF 10:38:24 02/04/08 (1)
    We'll see. We have been promised a lot of good things for TV.
    So far I haven't seen anything here yet.
    I do hope your (excuse me. they) are right.
    I don't like rainbows.
    I can't stand all the focus shifts.
    - here are the key words - Joe Murphy Jr 18:48:57 02/04/08 (0)
      Pioneer extreme contrast concept
      
      Pictures literally emerge from nowhere (there is no display glow like every other display technology exhibits, even the best calibrated CRT). The demo at CES floored everyone who got to see it: no one even knew there was another display in the room, a room that was virtually pitch black. Panasonic and Hitachi also will have this technology available to them (10 lumen tech), because they collaborated with Pioneer to "invent" it.
      
      As nice as today's Kuros are, Pioneer's next gen models (not the 10 lumen tech models) will better their black levels by about 80%.
What technology were you viewing? (NT) - Kal Rubinson 18:33:47 02/03/08 (0)

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