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In Reply to: RE: What connectors did you use? What settings did you use in the BD/DVD and audio output menus? posted by Jazz Inmate on February 08, 2008 at 13:11:17
Woah there big fellow. Take a deep breath and give this whole thing it's proper perspective. I didn't take copious notes regarding setup. I can tell with some confidence that we were using HDMI player to FP. My old Sony is via component video (ugh, right?). My bad for posting. From now on I'll leave the "reviews" to the experts.lowly, clueless retired EE,
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Edits: 02/08/08Follow Ups:
... ~ I didn't take copious notes regarding setup.
Awww, c’mon, don’t be so precious. If you don’t think it is important (with or without copious notes) if the PS3 is set to 480i or 1080i (I don’t think your projector is compatible with 1080p) I doubt anyone will take you seriously.
IMHO set-up menus are extremely important to get the best out of any format &/or source. Of course, YMMV.
Audio set-up is just as important for the best sound. I’m not sure of the relevance of comparing the Marantz source with the other two when you use different amplification?
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Not sure I appreciate your tone but will respond. The PS3 was set to 720p otherwise there would have been no picture at all. The audio as via optical cable and as far as I know, with the Celine SACD, there was no further setup required. Processing took place in my B&K which cannot process the new hi-res formats so not sure what was happening there. The sound was etched and harsh; essentially, in my opinion, unlistenable--an opinion shared by everyone present. The reason I mentioned my 2CH system, however irrelevant, was not so much to compare with the PS3 but to state that I have made many, many comparisons to my 2CH system vs. my AV system regarding SACD playback. My AV system (my opinion here) is fairly high end (Martin Logan speakers and B&K amplification) but it can't compete with my 2CH system for critical listening. I realize now that one probably shouldn't post anything on this forum regarding a 2CH system. Sorry about that.
Precious retired EE
"The PS3 was set to 720p otherwise there would have been no picture at all. The audio as via optical cable and as far as I know, with the Celine SACD, there was no further setup required."
Good grief, Charlie Brown! Is it any wonder why you were asked to describe the connection and setup method? In other words, the PS3 output SACD/converted to PCM/downsampled to 44.1 over an optical cable to your B&K. You're comparing this to the NS900V playing the same SACD with no PCM conversion/no downconversion to 44.1/over analog to the receiver. Nope, no reason for a difference in sound quality. Should be exactly the same. Yep, must be that shitty PS3. Might as well dump that sucker on some unsuspecting retard.
Not gonna comment on the video, as the sarcasm was used up on the audio.
What could I have been thinking. Thx. for the sarcastic reply. Adios.
> > The audio as via optical cable and as far as I know, with the Celine SACD, there was no further setup required. Processing took place in my B&K which cannot process the new hi-res formats so not sure what was happening there. The sound was etched and harsh; essentially, in my opinion, unlistenable--an opinion shared by everyone present. < <
Well, again, without trying to criticize you, it's premature to write off the audio on this or any other BD. For one thing, your comments pertain more to DVD than BD becuse you were only accessing Dolby Digital. BDs allow you higher-resolution audio, if you can access it. Even using HDMI you need to go into the PS3 menu and make sure the audio output supports 24-bit (which your B&K couldn't handle anyway unless it can pass-through uncompressed PCM without processing it) and the Blu-ray disc menu must be elected to output uncompressed PCM from the disc setup menu.
I'll defer to your judgment on the video as I've never seen this BD or tried to watch a BD via a 780 projector. On my old 780 plasma, the picture of BDs was significantly better than upscaled DVD. It wasn't even close.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
No offense, but you can't expect better-than-DVD picture or sound out of a BD without accessing its high resolution content--there are different audio options included on each BD and different video output options in the PS3 menu. Setup is also an issue to ensure the PS3 is actually outputting what you want it to--for both audio and video. After I got my preamp, I had the PS set wrong for a whole week and was scratching my head wondering why I couldn't get multichannel uncompressed PCM before I realized what was wrong. Hopefully your buddy knows about the menu settings.It was an innocent question--I just hope people realize that many of the criticisms of BD are actually criticisms of their own setup or the implementation.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
My reply was strictly tongue-in-cheek. I must admit though that I now understand that this forum is not for the casual poster. Shame on me. The PS3 was setup for 720P otherwise the FP wouldn't have shaken hands with the player. The audio setup as set for MCH but I guess I'm not aware that there are other fine-tuning setups beyond that such as DTS or Dolby, etc?? The audio from the PS3 to my B&K was via optical cable and the processing took place in the AVR. Being some 6 yrs. old, my B&K cannot process any of the new hi-res audio out there but not sure what sort of MCH audio the Celine Dion SACD had. I didn't look at the box to see. The audio on my trusty NS900V was through 5.1 analog cable to my AVR. The PS3 sounded very thin and etched. Frankly there was no comparison. I suppose it could have been a setup issue but for me, I'm keeping the NS900V connected just for SACD playback even after I buy a BluRay player with SACD capability. So I will focus on BluRay players that have the hi res processing on board and have an analog 5.1 output and won't care if they have SACD capability.The reason I included the feedback on my 2CH system albeit with different amplification, was merely to point out that, in my humble opinion, for critical listening I still prefer my higher end 2CH stereo system. MCH is great for certain DSD recordings but I still prefer 2CH for sitting in the sweet spot without a picture and drinking wine. Call me a dinosaur.
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