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In Reply to: RE: Another area where the consumer screwed the pooch posted by Hornlover on March 04, 2008 at 07:48:37
After looking at the Pioneer Kuro 1080p vs the TOTL Panny 1080p side by side, IMO the Kuro did have noticeably better blacks, but I especially noticed the shadow detail and the wonderful color on the Kuro.
The Panny is very nice indeed, especially on HD and BD, and if you can't tell much difference why pay more? I can't afford the Kuro, but it looked obviously better to my eyes. I use Master & Commander and Dark City as my torture tests.
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It's the black crush/lack of shadow detail that's been my issue. Until Kuro, Panny had by far the best blacks. Especially at their price point, especially on brightly lit/outdoor source material. I've almost bought a Panny plasma at least twice. But there's been a price to pay for those relatively deep blacks.
It tends to burn out the whites and crush shadow detail in dark scenes. Panny's better than a lot of the competition but the Kuros beat them rather handily for shadow detail. I would imagine the new models improve upon this. And of course, they'll have their own 10 lumen tech coming out too.
As noted above, I use dark scenes from torture tests like Master & Commander, LOTR and Dark City to audition with. Not many flat screens can do that well. I'd be happy to own a TOPL Panny, but I'd be happier to own a TOPL Pioneer...at least for right now. The target's always moving and I look forward to Panny's new models.
I read an account from the CES where Pioneer ran a demonstration of an upcoming screen alongside their Kuro alternative.
The new screen apparently gives off zero light to create black and the demo was in darkened room, with one of the images displayed being brightly coloured fish against a black background.
With the Kuro display the screen could just be made out, but with the new screen the impressive effect was of the fish swimming around in space with an almost 3D character, and there was actually a round of applause during the demo by some obviously orgasmic professionals.
Can't remember the details but if no one else fills in the gaps I'll root out the magazine in question.
Best Regards,
Chris redmond.
...that several of us have been discussing and that is mentioned in the press release.
I saw the photos of the side by side demo at CES and the blacks were amazing. The new 10 lumen tech panels make the Kuro look to it as the Kuro does to budget plasmas.
There's a long threwad about this over on avsforum.com - someone posted the ling in a thread down below.
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Best Regards,
Chris redmond.
I haven't seen the Kuro models, so I can't comment on them. That said, I have to say, that I've been unimpressed with Pioneer's earlier models.
Jack
The Panny's have IMO been the best bang for the buck plasmas out there and they're still very, very good plasmas. I've been watchin' em for 5-6 years.But the Kuros are indeed special. Chances are your local big box store doesn't have them displayed correctly, but the folks who calibrate for a living say they are by far the best plasmas they've seen for blacks, accurate color and shadow detail.
My eyes agree.
The Pio vs Panny rivalry has been going on a long time. Pioneers used to have warmer (more accurate) color rendition and more realistic shadow detail than the Pannys but the Pannys had greater contrast and therefore blacker blacks...more "pop". And Pannys had a better price. Of course, Fujitsu, using Panny glass and thir own electronics used to best both of them handily - for a price. That's no longer true.
The 10 Lumen panels will best them all.
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