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I haven't really kept up with the new technologies. I'm more a 2 channel man, but my LR where the system and 55" rear projection tv looks awful. I need a flat panel, but my room is big and I'll be sitting 15-16 ft away which demands a 60 " or better which is very expensive. However the 720's are much cheaper.
Here's the deal. I can get a 720 Pioneer for about 3400 or a 1080 LG for $3500. These are online deals.
However I just discovered another possible solution which is the ultra slim line Samsung rear projection. A 61" is only about 12" deep which may not look to bad placed on a shelf above the 2 channel system. But the jury is still out on that. I know the flat screen will look better, but the ultra slim is only 1700 at Best buy. It too, is a 1080.
I believe all the 1080 sets are 1080P but am not sure of the 720's. I'd appreciate your info and help in making the decision on the 720 or 1080.
Thanks
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Hello Artemus,
Ive pondered the same question myself for much the same reasons, yet my current set satisfies me from a viewing standpoint and at times, depending on the feed { currently dish network } still thrills and excites.
So with that being said the only drawback in my estimation might be the foot space it requires, my sets a Pioneer Elite 730hdmi and takes up a fair amount of real estate, my rooms almost identical in size to yours and while I love the sets looks both aesthetically as well as its HD performance it would be nice to have a " wall hanger ". In my case Im going to wait a while longer but it will be another Pioneer Elite when I do jump on it!
Only you can decide on what brand to purchase and like yourself, Im a music first, movies second kind of guy although I find it hard at times what to enjoy as both are reproduced so well. If I were to offer any advice it would be the Panasonic line, and for what its worth I also don't see a lot of difference in 1080i or 1080p when Ive taken the time to compare in side by side settings at the various retailers,{ quality brand dependent seemingly } not enough to justify the outlay IMO.
Good luck in your search.
Regards,
/// Tim W. ///
The starting spot is to pick your technology. I have a DLP. You have to replace the damn bulb every couple of years ($$) and suggest you look elsewhere. I got it because it was cheaper and had no burn in issues or dropped pixel problems.
Plasma... looks great, expensive. Not kid friendly ( serious burn in issues)
and generates a fair amount of heat.
LCD.. the most popular. Has burn in issues, if you want to keep the set for a long time, this may be your best bet.
Spend some time learning the ins and outs of each technology.
The next thing to pick is size... basically get the smallest one that is big enough for your room.
The next step is brand and then model. If I was buying today, I'd get an LCD, I haven't been looking, so I can't help with the model.
Oh, if you want a cheap but really good dvd player to go with your new tv, get an Oppo.
on which one? burn-in has been about eliminated form PDP's, LCD's ,never had one that had burn in , not sure what you are using or using your reference information from, I think you left out the word not in your description of LCD,,,
I have had 2 PDP's, 1LCD, and a rear DLP.
The kids and I play rock band or guitar hero, and yes there is some image retention, but not burn-in , and the residual image retention that is left is easily rectified and cleaned up using the built image cleaner. The main plasma is gonna go through hell when I get GTA IV, so I am sure I will be using the cleaner a lot.
My preference is PDP, I do not have any rear reflections to aggravate my viewing pleasure, and plus it has excellent blacks,, can not stand the dark fuzzy greys of LCD's, not great in dark movies or scenes...
this is my opinion and experience only.........
I also sit 16 feet away from my display. All other things being equal you would only be throwing your money away by getting a 1080p display and that's even with 20/20 vision. You will not be able to see any difference due to the difference in resolutions at 16' with a 60" display. It is likely though that some 720p displays will look better to you than some 1080p displays and vise-versa because of the differences in their color, contrast ratios, white levels, processing, etc.
Currently we are looking for a demonstration 1080p TV for our company to expand our service in the structural wiring industry. (integrated automation, home theater etc.) Our new low voltage general manager that installs TVs all the time tells me that Samsung is really hitting the mark lately and that is all he puts in these days. As far as 720p vs. 1080p we are getting the 1080p for the blu ray demonstration.
The chart below corresponds well with my experience. I was faced with the same choice you had. I knew I'd be sitting about 12 to 15 feet from the screen, and I was considering a screen around 60-inches in diagonal size. I hadn't seen this chart, but went to a store with lots of sets and simply backed up from a number of 720 and 1080 sets. Up close the 1080 sets were obviously superior, but for a 60-inch set and my eyesight (similar to yours), 720 sets became about the same at around 12 feet or so.
However, I also saw something that should be obvious- not all sets rated the same are equal. Wether it is adjustment or brand, and in some cases it was clearly the latter, some sets were obviously better than others in terms of resolution and other factors of picture quality. I ended up with the best I felt I could do in terms of price, size, and quality, and for me it was a 58-inch Panasonic 720 for $2300. At my viewing distance of 15 feet I haven't seen a TV with a picture that I like significantly better- better, yes, but not a whole lot better. With a first-class signal I am still often amazed by how good the picture is. I would rate its video performance on a par with the audio performance of my Vandersteen 5 speakers, if that means anything to you.
Joe
The Vandy 5's have stirred me enough to want to check them out too. But budget, priorities............you understand.
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The Pioneer Kuros have much better overall picture. Resolution isn't the only issue, although if you can swing the 1080p model, I'd recommend that. I wouldn't touch a screen (or any other product) from LG or Samsung.
-------------Call it, friendo.
The 720 can be had at about $3k whereas the 1080 is at least $4600. I'm not a big video/movie fan. It causes too much stress between my wife and I. She wants drama. i tell her life has enough drama and i need something that holds my attention. Girly movies don't do it for me.
But that said the LR is quite unattractive due to a big 55" box and my stereo equipment and floor standing speakers all on one wall. The flat panel will help make things look better. And we do watch a certain amount of movies and tv. I was gonna build a separate listening room and put a projector in it, but $$$ is not available for that yet. So this is a second choice. FWIW, You can see a picture of my system which is listed in my profile and see what I'm up againstI had heard bad things about the LG, but didn't know about Samsung. I thought they were pretty good. Then too I haven't been in the market for a TV in a while
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On a big TV I think you are going to be happiest with a Pioneer or Panasonic plasma. If your budget is limited the best choice would be the Panasonic 720p Plasma
Based on your viewing distance and screen size, it appears 720p is good enough. In fact, in my personal experience the improvement in resolution of 720p source (DirectTV) vs. 1080p source (Blu-ray, HD-DVD) projected at 108" and viewed at 15 feet is noticeable, but only marginally worth the extra expense. (Disclaimer: I only have 20/15 vision.)
I was in your situation about a year ago. I decided on 720p for the cost savings and the fact that I wouldn't really see a difference at my viewing distance. If I had to make the same decision today, I would pony up the extra cash for 1080p.
My reasoning is for getting more enjoyment out of Blu-Ray if I decide to add a player. (I probably will.) Some discs are encoded in 1080i which can look kind of rough when de-interlaced and scaled down to 720p. They translate better to 1080p.
It's probably not a huge issue and meaningless if you only watch upscaled DVDs. Just my $0.02.
Jim
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