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If they don’t like Neil Young that’s their prerogative, I for one will be looking forward to this release. Not for its bells and whistles HDMI1.3 surround sound but for it contents and its place in history. I know my two teenagers sons are looking forward to it as well as they’re a big Niel Young fans.
If a thing's worth doing, it's worth doing well
(Proverb)
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Really, Neil Young is an acquired taste; he does have a unique voice though other than Bob Dylan that is recognizable after a few notes or so.
If a thing's worth doing, it's worth doing well
(Proverb)
What a waste of the Blu-ray format.
Old recordings. Watched Scorsese's Shine A Light on BluRay last night and there was excellent use of sight and sound.
Kal
How much do you believe today's recording and playback technology increases the enjoyment of music? Or would you put more emphasis on the recording engineer's ability?
Assume you like The Who, Mark Waldrep's style and his equipment. Would you rather Mark Waldrep's equipment (minus the surround option, it's the '70s) go back in time for the original recording engineer to record The Who or Mark Waldrep to go back in time to record The Who with '70s equipment?
Look. The original post made a big deal of the Neil Young set and, most likely, I would not have responded had not another stepped in. So, you might call me for "piling on" but I wouldn't care to listen to Neil Young if he came to my house. This large effort could be better applied, such as to The Who. All IMHO, of course.
BTW, I also agree that it is the engineer/producer that brings the magic, not the format.
I just wanted your opinion on the subject. I guess I should have been more detailed or placed it elsewhere. My apologies.
Sorry Kal, but you and I apparently have widely differing perspectives on this.For some folks seeing musicians in their prime performing when they were at their creative peak is more important than seeing all the wrinkles, elaborate sets and colored lights, while the once great performers, now on their last legs or virtual walkers, go through the motions. I, for one, could care less about seeing the current Rolling Stones, but I would pay handsomely for an Official Blu-ray release of Ladies and Gentlemen, ...The Rolling Stones, the '72 tour film originally filmed in WS and recorded for quadraphonic theatrical release!
I suppose as we all get older nostalgia becomes preferable to those unpleasant reminders that we aren't kids anymore. IOW, it's more fun reliving the history than watching older folks rock out. Sometimes those older performances, warts and all, have far more visceral impact (visual & aural appeal) than all the whiz-bang photographic tricks, razor sharp image and tweaked-out 5.1, 7.1, or 20.1 surround effects.
Does this mean that folks shouldn't have an interest in seeing older footage presented in an HD format simply because it wasn't originally filmed in high-definition or widescreen? I certainly don't think so, as long as some improvement can be derived over standard DVD. Of course, YMMV.
AuPh
Nope. I cannot abide Neil Young, regardless of the sound quality.
Kal
At least Neil Young did something. The Stones have done nothing of value since Brian Jones. And they had the unbelievably poor taste of not only write, but record Angie! What an embarassment.
Shine A Light by Martin "let's-see-what-European-movie-I-can-swipe" Scorsese must have a lot of shiny pictures to look at to compensate for the kitsch in it. But then, in this age of Britney Spears and Paris Hilton, shiny surface is everything.
I think you have disqualified yourself from all debates concerning taste.
You are probably right. I have little taste for all rock/pop music and only sample it from time to time. Some are palatable and some are not. None, to me, are essential.
Kal
This isn't just about Neil Young's well hyped upcoming release, Kal, it's about the availability of archived classic rock performances on Blu-ray. Personally, I'm not concerned about anyone's opinion of Neil Young; I was providing information for folks who might be interested in this music news and hadn't picked up on it elsewhere. Obviously I'm excited about this pending release, and it is BIG news regardless of your opinion of Mr. Young, but I was unaware that I'd need a parade permit and an umbrella just to cope with stormy outbursts.FTR, I'm not enamored of a plethora of musical artists, but that's a personal taste issue. If I were highlighting a future musical release of some import I'd try to remain objective and pumped about the possibilities even if effusive praise seemed premature. I'm of the opinion that a popular artist's unreleased work shouldn't be negatively prejudged; it should be anticipated and evaluated fairly when officially released, with as little personal bias as possible elicited from the reviewer.
Lots of folks could probably explain to you why Neil Young's music appeals to them, but I doubt that would have any impact on your appreciation of the artist or his music, now would it? While not everything Neil pens is my 'cuppa' tea either, much of his work is remarkably poignant and poetic, but that's not the issue. Let's just say, For What It's Worth (pun intended), that Young's work is an acquired taste and this massive set will probably be acquired by most Crazy Horse, Buffalo Springfield and CSN&Y fans who have access to a Blu-ray player.
All of the die-hard Blu-ray fans looking for something unique and never before released on any high-definition format should be rejoicing at this prospect as well.
Finally, I have no idea why you're so strongly prejudiced against Mr. Young's music, nor do I want to know the reason (especially if your bias is political in nature). OTOH, I'd hope that your experience as an impartial reviewer of gear has kept you current enough on the music side of the business to acknowledge the fact that "Bernard Shaky" is a stickler for perfection when it comes to presenting his music honestly to the public (more so than most of his contemporaries). That should account for something on a board where the majority of discussions veer toward picture and sound quality issues.
AuPh
OK. First, my bias is purely aesthetic.
Second, I'd like to see as much effort lavished on NEW recordings.
Kal
Or maybe posting on something you don't like is a waste of everybody's time.If you happen to like the content is it still a waste? I find that old masters in good shape transfer well to hi-rez.
Reminds me of when I was young and how the local musicians would rank on each other when they were really insecure about themselfs.
I think I'll quit wasting my time now.
"Finally, something on Blu-ray of interest to serious, hard-core classic rock fans ..."
was a subjective opinion and that's the part of the post that triggered my comment. I'm a hardcore classic rock fan and my subjective opinion is that Neil Young is a waste, regardless of the time. If the OP can be subjective, why can't I? If the title was simply "Coming this Fall, The 10 disc Neil Young Archives (1963-72)" , I wouldn't have bothered with a comment.
If you happen to like the content is it still a waste?
Of course not. I'm sure you will enjoy the content to the same extent that I would loathe listening to Neil Young.
Reminds me of when I was young and how the local musicians would rank on each other when they were really insecure about themselfs.
The word you're looking for is themselves . As a former musician (drummer), I know many talented individuals who are definitely not insecure with their ability who "rank" on each other. All in good fun, of course.
My subjectivity wasn't meant to suggest that only Neil Young fans appreciate classic rock, but rather reflected the limited amount of classic rock worth buying that is currently available on Blu-ray. Get it?I had no intention of getting into anyone's personal preferences or dislikes but ask yourself this question (it's rhetorical, so you're under no pressure): how much archived classic rock is available on Blu-ray currently? If you can name more than 3 examples (not contemporary releases such as Yes, Live at Montreux or ZZ Top Live from Texas, both of which were filmed in high definition, or the major theatrical release examples that Kal provided), I'd be surprised.
BTW, if you want to argue over personal opinions, go to the Outside board, you'll get more than your share of it there.
Regards,
AuPh
...I never new Neil Young was such a waste until you pointed it out.
And in keeping with my helpful ways, the correct spelling is knew.
> > > 'a zillion x "no thanks"' < < <
The word 'zillion' is a fictitious number, so what should we assume about your word usage and the meaning behind it? ;O)
> > > "What a waste of the Blu-ray format. " < < <
If you don't want this, that's fine, but for you to make the pronouncement that this is a waste of the Blu-ray format is just a little judgmental since you haven't seen the results, is it not?
Perhaps ratcheting back the volume knob on your criticism a bit and making this a little less personal might be a good idea since you apparently have an issue with Neil Young's music. That's just a polite suggestion.
Cheers,
AuPh
I'd ease off on the typo criticisms if I were you.
Examples of typo errors: thier (see subject line above), teh, siad. Read a few of his posts and you'll realize the mistakes aren't typos.
The word 'zillion' is a fictitious number, so what should we assume about your word usage and the meaning behind it?
That Neil Young was just a ficticious character? Check my spelling of "zillion".
"...you apparently have an issue with Neil Young's music."
Or Neil Young.
My subjectivity wasn't meant to suggest that only Neil Young fans appreciate classic rock, but rather reflected the limited amount of classic rock worth buying that is currently available on Blu-ray. Get it?
While limited availability is true, we're only two years into the format. Is now the time to ask "Where are all of the Classic Rock concerts?". Give it some time, but just don't expect hundreds of releases.
I would love to be able to add a collection of High Definition concerts to my Classic Rock CD collection (Damn, I sound like one of those Time-Life commercials.). The sad fact is that I doubt we'll have a proper representation of Classic Rock concerts soon or even ten years down the road. The releases we have now are targeted at what content providers presume to be the majority of the Blu-ray buying crowd (35 - 45, more disposable income). As prices decrease and the software/hardware gets more mainstream buyers (25 - 35), I don't think we'll see a move to get more Classic Rock releases issued. Do I like that? No. Am I going to bitch about it? No. Well, maybe a little. It's just $business$ and everyone should understand, though not necessarily agree with, that aspect of the game.
By the way, since your a classic rock fan, ever heard of Led Zepellin or The Band? Song Remains the Same and Last Waltz have been out on Blu-ray for a looong time.
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> > > "Yeah, old news" < < <
Actually, as far as I can determine this isn't old news. While NY has been teasing fans about this for over a year and it has been discussed at length on other forums, no firm date was set (Young, as he usually does, just held out a carrot to keep folks tuned in). However, at a recent press conference (which I don't recall seeing any mention of here) Neil formally laid out his plans for a release of his highly anticipated archive on Blu-ray sometime this Fall.
> > > "Song Remains the Same and Last Waltz have been out on Blu-ray for a looong time." < < <
I'm not that big a fan of The Band, but when Zep decides to reissue their excellent 2003 concert compilation DVD on Blu-ray, I'm there!
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