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In Reply to: RE: two awesome deals on the best blu player posted by Joe Murphy Jr on November 07, 2008 at 19:08:39
You are basically admitting that the BDA is incapable of making movies that play on all players. That makes Blu-ray little more than the PS3 format. Lets face it, 3 out of 6 of the Bond discs had issues. That's just incompetent. For all your whining about Speed Racer's lack of lossless, at least the disc PLAYED.
Oh, and BTW, If I wanted a PS3, I'd have one by now.
Jack
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The manufacturers need to keep their firmware up to date and make sure their products meet all of the Blu-ray specs, which have not changed, without exception. Yes, the PS3 is a powerful machine, but it too needs firmware updates, usually when a part of the spec which hasn't been used comes into play: SCE makes sure it gets updated as needed. There's no reason other manufactures can't do the same.
If the software is in spec, the player is at fault. So far, no one has shown that any Blu-ray disc is out of spec. The problems therefore stem from the CE manufacturers, not the studios/replicators.
How many players are there, a dozen or so? Its not that hard really.
Remember, Paramount recalled (and replaced) all Ironman discs not too long before they were to be released, because of authoring issues. Word is, that it wouldn't play on all players. It can be done, if the studio really cares.
Lets be honest, this is mostly an issue with Fox discs. This last batch of problem discs effected the Sharp, most Sammys and LGs, as well as several of the Sony players. If Fox is going to play musical BD+ every few months, its going to cause problems. The masses aren't going to want to have to deal with FW updates. All movies should be able to play in all players. period.> > > If the software is in spec, the player is at fault < < <
But what if the player(s) is in spec too? If the player came first, then the software should be compatible.
Jack
Edits: 11/08/08
A dozen or so? Below is a link to a player list (about 30 players). It only took me a few seconds to count off 7 players (all more than a month old) not on that list. How many more do they have that I didn't count? What happens when there's 50, 70 or 100+ players? Your comment falls flat -- even now.
What I'm sure we can agree on is that the studios/authoring houses/replicators need to work with the player manufactures before mass production of the disc takes place.
I'd go further by suggesting that a sample disc could be sent to each manufacturer to test in their players and the manufacturers could be given a time-frame (1 month maximum, in my opinion) to get their asses in gear and write firmware updates for their players which would need it or figure out if the disc is incompatible for other reasons.
Here's the obviously-not-updated BD player
OK 30ish, that's still not a big deal-we aren't talking hundreds here. The point is, problems can be found and dealt with before the discs hit the street, if the studio cares, as Paramount proved. Fox just doesn't give a damn. Why people defend Fox's clear contempt for their customers (or total incompetence) is beyond me.
Jack
I read that rumor too. Paramount did not substantiate it, nor did any industry insiders.
LG, Samsung and Sharp make lots of crappy products that don't work the way they're supposed to. Blu-ray is the least of their problems, so you may want to hold manufacturer's to some standards rather than whining about a format that has worked perfectly for most adopters. I'm sorry your experience with it has been poor, but it may be a bit of self-fulfilling prophecy.
-------------Call it, friendo.
Two or three of Sony's stand alone players wouldn't play the troublesome bond movies either. Sony makes crappy products too, that don't work like they are supposed to, but you already knew that.> > > so you may want to hold manufacturer's to some standards < < <
That's what I am doing, including software manufacturers, despite the fact that the BDA doesn't. Why you give them a free ride is beyond me.
Jack
Edits: 11/17/08
Now, I do not offer myself as representative of any significant part of the users market but I have used a half dozen or more BD players from Pioneer, Sony and Denon. On the program materials that I use (yes, mostly music/opera/ballet discs but also a weekly rented mainstream BD movie from BlockBuster), all of them have played on every player. There was a wide variation in the availability and playability of the HD codecs but everyone was playable without issue.
Kal
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