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In Reply to: RE: Twice on the new oppo posted by Ole Lund Christensen on December 15, 2008 at 03:28:28
... the fact that the new Oppo player apparently isn't going to be a one box solution will be a major concern for some folks. Those of us who collect foreign films and television are VERY disappointed in the decision that Oppo's new player won't provide multi-zone access or the popular region free capabilities for standard DVD of all prior Oppo DVD players. The latter may be a deal breaker for some folks. If it weren't for the superior audio features and fast load-time claims of Oppo's entry into the BD competition I'd probably opt for a modded player with zone and region hacks, which are currently in the same general price range as the Oppo.
- One example of zone & region free player currently being sold (holiday discount)... (Open in New Window)
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Hey, region encoding is the way for studios to maintain control over their legal distribution rights. It is not some inconvenience for you to illegally circumvent. Respect the law.
-------------Call it, friendo.
"Hey, region encoding is the way for studios to maintain control over their legal distribution rights."
Regional coding is a joke.
The studios are quick to tell us how copyprotection is vital to prevent piracy, when I have yet to see any pirate DVD which isn't either a video CD or at the very least not full DVD spec; Heck even the clip we're forced to watch (can't skip it with FF) at the start of our DVDs tells us how copies are poor quality.
Truth is Joe Blow buys poor pirated copies and doesn't give a flying fig about the quality as they're 'good enough' for 99% of 'customers' and those who mass produce pirated videos can save money using blank CDs rather than blank DVDs.
Piracy has been going on ever since recording was invented and nothing will stop it, so all regional coding does is add inconvenience to those who want the best releases of films, ie enthusiasts who don't buy copies and pay for sealed DVDs overseas.
In the UK especially we see numerous releases in the US which contain all manner of extras which are missing from the UK release which is also invariably cheaper.
The studios should get their own act together before trying to dictate to others what they can and cannot buy - how about Sony inventing reviewers for instance, and the studios getting their wrists slapped in Europe for price fixing?
Rant over - Happy New Year.
Best Regards,
Chris redmond.
> > > Hey, region encoding is the way for studios to maintain control over their legal distribution rights. It is not some inconvenience for you to illegally circumvent. Respect the law. < < <
And yet, Oppo is famous for its region free DVD players. That IS what put them on the map. Why haven't the Oppo people been arrested yet?
Jack
Edits: 12/23/08
> > > "Hey, region encoding is the way for studios to maintain control over their legal distribution rights. It is not some inconvenience for you to illegally circumvent. Respect the law." < < <I think you know where you can stick that BS, cheerleader; there are no laws being violated. We're not talking about piracy here since all parties associated with discs purchased from another region receive appropriate compensation.
Grow up and invest in a new tunic to do your cartwheels.
AuPh
Edits: 12/22/08 12/22/08
So it's 2 boxes or something like the Panny. To say I'm bummed is an understatement.
Does anyone know if any of the Panny or Kuro plasmas sold in US are PAL capable?
I love the quality of Oppo players, but it's obvious that the company has 'sold-out' gambling that they can get a bigger share of the high-end market by cow-towing to the BDA. After market mods is the future, and what Oppo has sacrificed in their bid for new found moral 'respectability' will produce a window of opportunity for other off shore manufacturers (which Oppo is as well).
What the Blu-ray Disc Association apparently doesn't understand or refuses to acknowledge is that their biggest competition for product which requires protecting (current films) is downloading (legal & illegal) or PPV and the greatest threat is piracy, not region coding.
The demands placed on Oppo to drop the region free DVD will absolutely KILL their sales, but they're taking the risk in order to license the BD platform. I suspect that some after-market moders are salivating at the prospect of picking up a few Oppo BD players and moding them for Oppo's earlier customers at a premium mark-up; if you can wait awhile, that might be worth the added cost.
OTOH, this will only increase demands on Oppo to shift gears and respond to their customers requests. I would NOT want to be in Oppo management's shoes when this is officially released, considering customer expectations for this higher priced player based upon prior product.
AuPh
You and I, the movie collectors of world cinema, are hardly the problem. BDA just makes life harder for the enthusiasts for no appreciable gain, as you're quite right IMO about the downloaders - hell, the guys with the vid-cams at theaters are more dangerous than us. Most of what I'm interested in is either never going to be released stateside, or will be altered or inferior version in this region. Luckily there are many titles I covet that are not coded, but several that are locked to Region B. It's hilarious as most titles I'm interested in aren't terribly commercial anyway. UGH!!
This is really too bad. I can live without a BD player for awhile, but the Oppo-out-of-the-box option seems closed for now.
Ironically, all of the Region B locked movies I want are older catalog titles that have been out on DVD for years.
Jack
:o(
They do have a following.
That said, they are famous for being region free, and relatively cheap. This will be neither. I wasn't expecting it to be BD Region free, but I suspect they succumbed to pressure by some in the BDA to be DVD region locked as well.
It doesn't even internally decode all the lossless audio formats.
I would have expected better for $600.
Jack
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