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Does a blu-ray player do a better job of playing standard dvd's than an upsampling player assuming both have HDMI outputs?
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First of all, upconverting can only be done on a progressive signal. Therefore, the deinterlacing capabilities of the player has great influence on the foundation of this process. Once a DVDs interlaced signal is deinterlaced, upconverting takes place. This process, called scaling, changes the pixel count (and perceived resolution) to HD (usually 1280x720 or 1980x1080).
Most players do an OK job re: deinterlacing, but some do an excellent job (like the oppo 983). The better the deinterlacing, usually the better the picture is going to look when it's scaled to an HD resolution. Unfortunately, the fact that the " I have the best deinterlacer " crowd seems to forget is that the majority of DVDs you buy today have higher QC than those manufactured in the late 1990s and early 2000s. Great deinterlacing only plays a major part when it's needed more: as it's needed less, it's less of a factor in upconverting.
Here's an example: I own a PS3 and an oppo 983. The PS3 was dissed when it was first released because its deinterlacing capabilities were not high enough. In subsequent firmware updates, SCE improved on the PS3's capabilities, including deinterlacing. While it's still not the equal to the oppo 983 re: deinterlacing, it's not far off. The second part of upconverting is scaling and that's where the PS3 takes a backseat to no one. Feed it a quality DVD and you'll almost think you're watching real HD content.
So to answer your question, it's really you who needs to decide on whether to get two players (Blu-ray and DVD) or just one player (Blu-ray). Watch a few scenes of your favorite DVD movies on different Blu-ray players and determine if the upconverting meets or exceeds your level of acceptable quality. If you can find a player or players that meet this expectation, go with a Blu-ray player for DVD. If you can't, you'll probably have to get two players -- one for Blu-ray and one for DVD.
I'm selling my oppo 983.
The flexibility to play discs from other regions is another factor worth considering before selling ANY Oppo DVD player, IMO.
The Oppo 983H is a superb upscaling player, but even if (fill in the blank) BR player performed that function better, it would still lack that important region conversion capability. Apparently Oppo's new BR player (like all other BR players, except those modified aftermarket) is region LOCKED, meaning that it will NOT convert DVDs from other regions to the NTSC signal as part of the licensing agreement with 'the powers that be' (the Blu-ray Cartel, ...err Consortium).
The bottom line: BD players that do not at least allow region conversion of DVDs aren't backwards compatible replacements for those that do, if you collect foreign fare on DVD.
Joe, if you DO decide to sell your 983, it won't surprise me if your player is snapped up quickly and the buyer pays you a bit more for it than you did from Oppo!
AuPh
I'm selling my oppo 983 for $350 + real shipping cost. The player has less than 8 hours of use (no, that's not a typo -- a little over 4 hours of SACD and DVD-A and around 4 hours of DVD use) and includes the latest firmware from oppo. Unlike some people who have left out accessories, the black oppo soft case, etc, I'm including everything that came to me from oppo -- even the original shipping box.
I don't have any European DVDs, but I have purchased some Region 2 NTSC discs (Hero, House of Flying Daggers, etc) for their DTS soundtracks and longer run times. Any non-Region 1 DVD I have or will purchase has been or will be given the DVD Decrypter/DVD Shrink treatment to make it not only Region 1, but user friendly as well. I also have 2 other DVD players in the house (Pioneer DVD player from the Singapore market and an older Sampo DVD player) which play any region.
I assume by "DVD Decrypter/DVD Shrink" that you're talking about transferring one region's format to another (burning to DVD-R or hard-drive). I'm not set up to do that (I'm a plug and play kind of guy) and I don't have the time or desire to fiddle with transferring one region's discs to another format (my Region 2 PAL collection now numbers nearly a hundred titles). Also, since I have limited rack space single box solutions are always a priority.> > > "I'm selling my oppo 983 for $350 + real shipping cost. The player has less than 8 hours of use (no, that's not a typo -- a little over 4 hours of SACD and DVD-A and around 4 hours of DVD use) and includes the latest firmware from oppo. Unlike some people who have left out accessories, the black oppo soft case, etc, I'm including everything that came to me from oppo -- even the original shipping box." < < <
That's fine; I'm sure that it will sell pretty fast in spite of the current economy. If I didn't have a back-up player already I might have been the lucky buyer.
The bottom line is that Oppo is trying to replace the 983H with the BDP-83, (claiming on their site that the new Blu-ray player will replace their less than a year old benchmark DVD player) when in fact the new BD player may not perform one of the most crucial functions that Oppo's intended market has come to expect: The ability of unlock redbook DVD region coding via the menu, making it backwards compatible for existing DVD collections from all regions.
Cheers,
AuPh
Edits: 02/17/09 02/17/09
If you have a large collection of non-Region 1 DVDs, then a player that "plays them all" is probably the way to go. However, if you're like me and only have a small list of non-Region 1 DVDs, that's not the way to go. By the way, if you go the DVD Decrypter/DVD Shrink route, you can get rid of all the annoying crap at the beginning of the disc (warnings, previews, etc), set the copy up with the soundtrack on the disc that you prefer (if you so choose), change the region coding (to any region you want) and have the disc start the movie as soon as it goes in the player -- no need to even hit PLAY. Since blank dual-layer DVDs are around $1 each, the cost is minimal per disc you create (both programs are free).
The other region players are in storage: I'll be selling those as well.
Blu-Ray players upsample; at least my Playstation 3 does. They do make regular DVDs look as good as possible. You can defeat the upsampling and have the TV do it, but I have seen no need to do that.
thank you Gentlemen.
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