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In Reply to: RE: Apparently, ... posted by Audiophilander on February 19, 2009 at 23:47:58
Like you pointed out yourself, their base of operations is in California and they ship product from inside the U.S. even if it's manufactured in China. If Oppo had been violating any laws the studios and other hardware manufacturers would have been on them quicker that horse flies laying maggot eggs on your uninformed opinions!Again, Oppo was in violation, but at the time it was just a small company trying to compete with the jauggernauts. DVD sales were huge everywhere and the studios decided there was no reason to make Oppo conform. Now it's built a reputation and commands an important part of the disc player market. It has to play by the rules.
I find it highly amusing that you would use Oppo's own advertising copy to try and spin your uninformed opinion.
It's their mission statement, not ad copy. I just posted it because it clearly doesn't support Jack's assessment of Oppo's mission to bring non-region A movies to his screen.
Not only are you tossing out advertising jargon to push your (naive?) POV without any empirical evidence to support it, but you're overlooking the company's word of mouth reputation for being the 'Swiss Army" DVD Player!
Yeah, I understand you losers on AVS drooled all over their gear just because you could play any disc under the sun with it. But quality and customer support were always of more interest to me and many others.
As I see it, Oppo's success has been built around three things: 1) fast, friendly service, 2) providing region-free access via a simple menu key code flies in the face of your argument, and 3) lots of bang for the buck.
Ok, fine, I agree with that, but you have to face the fact that you were living on borrowed time with #2 because once Oppo got big enough it was gonna have to start playing by the rules. That time is now.
Hello, Earth to Jazz Inmate? The not-so-average consumer is upwards of 50% of Oppo's customer base!
That speaks to the point I made about Oppo being small potatoes. The company wants to grow and it is not going to do that by appealing strictly to import-loving propeller hat wearing AVS denizens.
Small specialty companies attract customers who seek a more diverse A/V experience than usually offered by most major brands, including but not limited to international entertainment. At a boutique price point, Oppo serves a more tweak-friendly, intellectually astute customer base with broader tastes (you being the possible exception).
As the owner of an integrated tube amp that lists for $19,000, I'm well aware that some companies are striving for producing specialty electronics for a niche market. Oppo never struck me like that. Oppo wants to be the leader in affordable disc machines. So far, they have been able to do that while maintaining tremendous quality and customer support. I hope it lasts, but I wouldn't bank on it forever.
Great. OK, tell us again why you'd buy an overpriced Oppo BDP-83 that adds Blu-ray but takes away the key region unlocking feature if you already have a Blu-ray player and a nice SACD player (I assume that it's also an Oppo DVD player)?
Actually it's a Classe Omega SACD-2, which most definitely is a nice SACD player. My hope is that the BDP-83 will have superior picture and sound to the PS3 and not give up much quality in SACD or CD to the SACD-2...in which case I could keep the Oppo, sell my Omega disc machine, move the PS3 to my other TV, and have about $3000 in my pocket and some extra room on my shelf. I don't need to worry about region-locked DVDs because I've had the foresight to not buy any.
-------------We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
Edits: 02/20/09Follow Ups:
...you apparently lack appreciation for any entertainment available from other regions. So, by pretending to take a superior ethical attitude it allows you to wallow in your own limited cultural sophistication while criticizing the tastes of others, right?
OK, I think we've got this sussed out! ;0)
Cheers,
AuPh
in my region.If I didn't, I'd fully expect my DVD player to not play the non-region A titles.
You should use similar logic going forward--assuming you're capable of logic.
-------------We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
Edits: 02/24/09
If you want to stick up for second rate performance then more power to you (the irony of your criticizing those who supported HD-DVD won't be lost on most of the folks who post here).
While I won't knock KINO's efforts to bring out quality fare, they too often do a half-assed job of it, ignoring progressive scan in favor of interlaced even after Eureka has released the same films properly and provided 'kewler' extras and better packaging.
But even that isn't the key issue with demanding region-free access. Here is a smattering of the Region 2 releases I am able to enjoy:
Spooks (released in edited form over here as MI-5, the series is more intense and makes a lot more sense in it's original form)
Sharpe's Rifles (entire series of films; apparently the transfer was screwed up when converted to NTSC; stick with the PAL)
Sherlock Holmes (entire series with Jeremy Brett; remastered; region 2 PAL looks great with really nice packaging)
Life On Mars (1st series; unedited PAL; WS)
Torchwood (unedited; WS, with all of the adult situations and humor intact)
The Sweeney (entire series; clever 70's police drama that was more sophisticated than any genre cop shows we were doing over here at the time)
Primeval (recent SF drama with special effects created by the Walking With Dinosaurs crew; great show)
Jekyll (awesome mini-series updating of Jeckyll/Hyde story; unedited PAL version is gripping)
Sapphire and Steele (quirky late 70's British SF/Fantasy/Horror series starring David McCallum that owes a lot to the Brothers Grimm)
Cracker (complete, UNEDITED, and non-PC British series featuring Robbie Coltrane; gritty and unflinching)
Blake's 7 (cheesy card-board FX wrapped around some of the best writing ever done in a character driven science fiction drama)
Movies:
L'Argent (Eureka release of French silent; is there an NTSC one?)
Faust (Murnau silent; latest Eureka release vastly superior to KINO; with better packaging & extras)
The Phantom Carriage (Sweedish classic silent; Tartan release; is there a U.S. release?)
This barely scratches the surface of my international collection; I could go on, but why should I waste my time trying to educate you when you obviously lack the interest to appreciate it?
If you expect me to feel some guilt over buying PAL region 2 cinema and television series that either aren't available here or have been released in badly edited/poorly transferred form then you're pretty darn clueless, not to mention more of a whiner than a film fan.
AuPh
That means no more interlaced, if that's your bone of contention with Kino.
Most of the folks who post here weren't stupid enough to adopt HD DVD. Not only did you adopt it, you kept supporting it, buying titles and hardware even after it went belly up. That kind of insanity isn't lost on the rest of us denizens. You accuse others of cheerleading and behaving irrationally, but you're the epitome of each.
Likewise you have clearly built an enormous collection of non-region A DVD releases that you are very proud of owning. Given that it will now be reissued in a superior format, I'm not sure why you cling to it like a baby koala to its mother. Sell it on ebay while you can still get a buck for it.
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We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
You are not only clueless, you're apparently hopeless!
Let's do this s-l-o-w-l-y:
Many of the Region 2 PAL titles I've purchased have never been released over here in ANY format, so why should I expect Blu-ray releases anytime soon? Figure that one out and get beck to me when you actually have a clue, Sherlock!
> > > "Most of the folks who post here weren't stupid enough to adopt HD DVD." < < <
Most of those folks also bought Blu-ray and made it clear that they had no dog in that hunt other than supporting high definition and open region entertainment. The fact that some of us still have HD-DVD players and discs, enjoy them and have no regrets speaks better of the format than it does of your bias.
> > > "You accuse others of cheerleading..." < < <
No, not others, ...just you! ;^D
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