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In Reply to: RE: Analog or HDMI for HD Master audio posted by vinylvin on April 13, 2009 at 06:36:23
In order to use analog for those two codecs, the player must be able to decode them internally. Not all players internally decode all the codecs. In addition, the quality of the DACS and the analog section on the player is crucial to getting good sound quality. A player with quality DACS and an excellent analog section will perform in an outstanding manner. A player with an "afterthought" analog section will perform poorly. IMO, most Blu-ray players currently on the market that have analog sections fall into the "afterthought" category. The few that have good stuff tend to be pricey.
If you go over HDMI to a receiver, you are pretty much dependent on the DACs and analog section in your receiver. If your receiver has better components than your player, and the receiver is capable of decoding all the codecs, then this might be the way to go.
Follow Ups:
Thanks for the replys!
I was just wondering how good HDMI cables are, I thought it
might be better to go with some quality interconnects.
I've read how HDMI cables for audio are not that good,
any thoughts on that?
I would not even bother using analog cables to any AVR, mostly a waste of time IME. It's not what AVRs do best. Keep it digital/HDMI, so much easier. Now, if you had a good pre-pro that keeps a quality analog input in the analog domain, that's a different matter. As others said, it's mostly how good the gear is *after* the player output, whether analog or digital, that will be the main sonic difference.
I haven't seen any convincing (to me) evidence that a fancy HDMI cable improves the audio, when talking 3m or less. As usual, use a cable of quality you're comfortable with. I just use the cheapest Audioquest ones now as I can't tell any diff, and in fact the dirt-cheap Monoprice one I have seems just as good functionally but I like the AQ one's construction better.
One thing that is a bit "strange" about using HDMI for audio is that the bandwidth allocated for audio is set as a proportion of that used for video. So, if you want 7.1 lossless audio over HDMI, you have to make sure that the player is set for a high video rate. This typically only might be a problem if using a less-capable display while you're listening, because otherwise you'd just set the player to the highest video output rate (1080p) and not care what the picture is. It does matter for music on video discs though, since usually you need the display, and your display capability may not allow the audio rate you want over HDMI. Just something to watch out for, because the audio over HDMI can be automatically "degraded" without you being told...
I have the Monoprice also for Video. I have a glass optical
going from a Panasonic DMP-BD60K to a Panasonic SA XR-55
Receiver. The SA XR-55 does not have HDMI in, that's why I asked.
Sounds really good to me right now but I was interested in hearing
the new lossless audio. Maybe a new receiver is the way to go,
I was thinking of a Marantz - SR-6003 or 5003.
Personally, I would choose the AVR model that has the best quality Audyssey implementation within my price range. Right now, that is not generally Marantz for the price points. I would not underestimate the value of this feature for *movies*. I had no idea before I first used it, and truly fluked out on this. But really, ask Kal about it, he is much more experienced with it...And I'm not biased against Marantz here, I do have some Marantz gear in my main system. :)
Edit: or possibly an Audyssey equivalent. I am not sure how Pioneer's system really stacks up, or other modern ones either. I used to find these systems kinda flakey, so stopped paying attention to them, which is why I said I lucked out with the good Audyssey feature that actually did work well (IMO).
Edits: 04/13/09
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