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This looks like a Euro model of the 60" Pioneer Kuro. I realize it doesn't have a tuner/receiver or speakers or stand, but just as a screen is it closer to the 6020 or the 151FD? If the latter, I might as well get it instead of the elite. No point in spending money on tuner/stand/speakers I don't need. The US has a stupid rule about not being able to market a TV unless you offer those things. Obviously our elected officials have never set up a home theater.
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We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
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Just picked up a Kuro Elite 111 50" for my friend. It is gorgeous, and so rich that it almost is beyond real. I can see where people might say where it's just too different, and not like it.
She decided to get a TV, - as her amp, and DAC/preamp has no remote, - so that she can just flick on the TV really quickly for a few minutes without caring. The detachable speakers are removed, - and I mounted them on the wall behind some curtains so you can't see them; this works out brilliantly as the TV is also mounted in a corner on the wall.
When we scoped out both models in the store, - we couldn't tell any picture quality difference between the non TV and TV versions. But, they also were not using the best testing methodologies.
The worst thing in 1954 was the bikini; see the girl on the TV dressed in a bikini; she wouldn't think so, but she's dressed for the H-Bomb!
Be sure you select "pure mode" otherwise it really is beyond real. The other modes pump up the colors too much.
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We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
The Elite 141 is the NA model made for people like you! It comes pre ISF cal'ed and does many (albeit not so common) video modes that the 151 won't. No stand, no speakers, no tuner. I don't know how it is where you live, but all OTA HDTV in Canada is 1080i...looks pretty damn fine (hockey games, of course!) compared to the same feed over cable.
OK I'm confused. Is the 141 really ISF'D from the factory or is it just tweaked? At other forums they are saying for optimum performance that it should be ISF'D. Now I'm hoping someone who really nows will set all of us straight. We're listening!
Thanks,
Chris
Pioneer says it is. If it's not, I doubt it would be worth buying for most people for its ability to handle some less-common video signal formats. Maybe if you had some special computer app. And unless you could get it for somewhat less than the 151.People who are picky would probably redo the ISF cal anyway. I really think you have to run the display for a fair time before you do the cal, and I don't know if they do that at the factory.
Using the "Pure" mode with some minor adjustments is pretty good after a few hundred hours. Many people will find this even too "strange" compared to what they're used to seeing. Many other Elite owners I know still prefer one of the "torch" modes, like Sport etc. ISF cal is definitely not for everybody, not for those who chose a Pio because it could do big bright colors rather than because of its accuracy potential.
It should be noted that an ISF mode-enabled Elite has access to facilities that are not duplicable any other way. You can NOT get the same results without using one of the ISF viewing modes. But you can get quite close. Each mode (pure, optimum, sport, etc.) enables/disables certain electronic aspects which can't be had any other way. The ISF modes do the same.
edit: I guess I should have said you can get software to enable and adjust the ISF modes via the serial/"service" port quite inexpensively. Without actually doing the ISF cal.
Edits: 06/16/09
The Best Buy told me the 141 had a better picture because it was not "contaminated" by the extra circuitry needed for the 151 (???)
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We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
Nah, it's been around about as long as the 151. When I got the 151, the 141 was the same price as the 151 here: in Canada they both list for Cdn$8k. I guess you're paying for the ISF cal and greater settings flexibility (the 151 is pretty flexible already compared to the x020 series).
I needed the stand, and they charge quite a bit for it separately. Haven't even opened up the speakers box, I do not have the spare width to install them anyway, but some people like to use them for TV watching (i.e. not turn on the audio system) and say they aren't too bad for the genre. The ATSC tuner is quite good, I get all the U.S. networks on OTA HDTV, and the few Canadian ones I want to watch, with a simple indoor antenna. The OTA was an eye-opener compared to HD with cable. I was actually going for the 141, and the dealer convinced me to get the 151 because we are in a good area for OTA HDTV (which I didn't know at the time).
I needed a (bedroom) TV with speakers so the 141 was off the "look over" list. I don't know why it's more expensive.
I couldn't justify the premium for a stand, tuner ISF option and Elite badge--none of which I need.
How much TV do you watch in the bedroom? I don't want a TV there. My 50" kuro will go up for sale.
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We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
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