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In Reply to: RE: Yes it is. posted by audio_d on May 22, 2009 at 22:47:57
What you say goes against experience. For BD. For both digital audio and video. For (upscaled) DVD though the PS3 is easy to beat.
With BD, since the players are so close in their BD video output, the display will make by far the most diff. The diff between players for BD is way more about other factors than their quality of HDMI A/V output.
That said, I don't think I would recommend someone buy a PS3 NOW strictly for BD/DVD playing. For the same money there are players more convenient to integrate into more types of HT systems. The PS3 is an AV computer, not strictly a "disc player", with the pros and cons that has.
The first thing I would check out when deciding on a brand is to see how often they put out firmware updates. This is incredibly important, and some companies are quite poor for this. Otherwise you will regularly find new BDs your player won't play.
Follow Ups:
Whose experience ?
A lot of reviews and various HT forums have commented on how the new wave of stand alone BD players surpass the PS3 for BD playback.
Agree the display can make a lot of difference, I use an ISF calibrated Pioneer plasma.
Disagree on the closeness of BD performance.
Compare a PS3, Panasonic, Pioneer, Marantz, Denon and you will see differences.
Frequency of firmware upgrades is not a sign of quality but of how on the ball companies are at sorting out problems. Some compainies get the product right form day one, many do not.
My experience. And that of plenty of others too. Very very little diff. Not enough to bother with, and as I said, not even close to being the biggest consideration when choosing a model. It is not at all like DVD which requires a lot of jiggery-poke to get a good image. BD is quite straight-forward using the available chips, for HDMI output.
I have a dealer friend (he's the owner) who does Denon, Marantz, Pioneer Elite. Though of course he has to pay for his personal gear, it is "cheap" for him. He chooses to use a PS3 for BD on his Pio Elite display (only at home of course). Because it plays everything. Doesn't use it for DVD though. The problem is the brands he sells don't update firmware nearly often enough. Panasonic and Samsung have similar records with that so far, let's see how they do with their newer models.
I have the feeling you are just getting into BD if you think regular firmware updates are not extremely critical and necessary at this stage still. Can make BD viewing very frustrating otherwise.
If you hate using a gaming machine or just Sony, well then say that. Plenty of people do. Not so keen on those aspects myself...
I would check out what the Oppo BDP-83 users say. The current owners are very critical and have a good range of players to compare with. After all, they PAID to essentially debug them. I have a Pio 151 to view on and am fairly picky. I see so little diff between BDPs with BD over HDMI that I am far more interested in how they handle DVDs, which *does* vary hugely, strictly because of the limited content in BD. This DVD handling is the significant downside to the PS3, and I guess its overall cost including integration into an HT system.
Anyway, enjoy the Panny. You can be virtually assured that no other BD player makes BD look better.
Not quite a BD noob...I have been lucky to avoid the issues that some have had.
:)
No bias against Sony or the PS3, was using a borrowed PS3 for a while.
Did consider the OPPO BDP-983, read through all the fanboy love letters, but the locked DVD zone ruled it out.
Currently trying the new Panny 60/80.
Good with BD and surprisingly good with DVD, slightly better PQ than my OPPO DV983 and easily DVD multi-zoned.
Edits: 05/24/09
That's not the case with the PS3: firmware updates on the PS3 are usually for giving the user more and/or better features -- it's not solely used to fix what was messed up or not implemented properly. For how many stand-alones can the same be said? All you have to do is look at the PS3's capabilities at launch and compare them to what it can do today. It's all been done in firmware, not by the introduction of a "new and improved" model. Compare the cost of a new player (or maybe even 2 - 3 new players since the PS3 launced in November 2006) to the cost of the PS3's free firmware updates and I don't think an Economics degree is needed to see the light.
The PS3 is an evolving machine: firmware updates were part of its evolution since Day 1.
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