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In Reply to: RE: Blu-ray makes everything look like a cartoon? posted by mbnx01 on May 28, 2009 at 12:58:24
mbnx01,
No, Blu Ray has nothing whatsoever to do with the "cartoon" impression you are getting when you see it in the stores.
A lot of people have seen Blu Ray demos in stores and found the image to have a sort of odd, too-sharp, strangely too-real look, where movies don't really look like movies anymore.
Here is what is happening. Most of the time these days Blu Rays are demonstrated on new LCD flat panels. Many of the new LCD flat panels have a feature that reduces motion blur (LCDs have had a history of having more blur with fast motion than plasma, so LCD makers have tried to come up with solutions).
It goes by various names depending on the manufacturer of the set, but it's mostly known to AV-types as "Frame Interpolation" which is a fairly accurate description of what it does. Basically, it's a feature that looks at two frames of movement (which will have blur) and it creates a "new" frame in between, sort of a guess/mix of both frames, so the part of the motion that was "missing" (not captured by the camera) is placed in there. The effect is to reduce the effect of the blurred motion - edges even when in movement look very crisp.
This does indeed clear up and sharpen the look of the picture. We are very used to seeing a lot more blur with movement, especially in movies captured at 24 frames per second in movie film. So the big complaint with this process - and I agree heartily - is that it tends to make the image look oddly sharp, clear that for movies at least doesn't make it look like film. It makes it look like super-sharp HD video, and as such, at the same time as the image looks more impressive in sharpness/motion, it tends to give a sort of "cheap, video" look to film. Almost like you are watching those behind-the-scenes extras on a DVD shot in video, rather than the film itself.
Exacerbating this effect is how most LCDs are set up with terrible picture settings, pumping up the contrast and color unnaturally.
So none of this is an inherent characteristic of Blu Ray - it's the displays on which it is being shown.
Since Blu Ray actually captures film information more smoothly, less coarse than SD DVD, when you watch it properly displayed it actually looks LESS cartoony and more like real film than anything we've had up to this point. (At least if the transfer is good).
I swear, these new displays using frame interpolation to show Blu Rays have caused so many "I think Blu Ray looks weird" comments from unsuspecting consumers that I've lost count. But...that's the AV retail environment for you. Not always it's own best friend.
Cheers,
Rich H
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has also been to turn the sharpness down to almost minimum. In doing so remember that the set normally takes about 30 minutes to stabilize., but the lower sharpness setting reduces that edge enhancement, particularly at color boundaries. which is largely responsible for that cartoonish effect where it seems that the color boundaries have a penciled in border.
In reducing the sharpness you will find that the color saturation in a field becomes more saturated with better gradation.
The problem is often seen when viewing something like a referee's black and white striped shirt.In a close up you often seen the black edge of the stripe sharply delineated but then it turns gray and then black in the middle of the stripe and then gray as you move to the other edge.
Adjusting the sharpness radically lower has helped in most of the displays I have seen
Stu
"Night of the Museum" looked too much like one video superimposed over a different video. Of course, one could argue that maybe that was exactly how the film was put together and the Samsung was too revealing of the flaws in the source.
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"Of course, one could argue that maybe that was exactly how the film was put together and the Samsung was too revealing of the flaws in the source."
Well your argument would be a weak one, I assume you're kidding. I own two recent Samsung LCD TVs and when you use too much motion control you get that odd "video" look. The key to using the feature is to dial in enough to clear up motion as much as possible while not introducing the videoish effect. It's done easily enough.
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