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In Reply to: RE: I hate lcd TV's posted by Perfume on September 7, 2009 at 19:59:05
PAINTING: "American Zenith, 1958"
Perfume,Rant: The problem is not television technology, which improves and lowers in cost daily, but the potentials for viewing. Though I saw a lot of TV as a tot, and have a pile of channels, I have increasingly less interest. Cable news is just crap, FOX "News" is a national embarrassment- friends in Europe honestly believe that either it's a deliberate parody or special programming for "special needs" people- and CNN unwatchable- the "floppy arm fear-o'-the day school of impressionistic journalism". I haven't watched network- except "The Simpsons"- for 25 years, but do watch a bit of arts, history, and science programming as well as movies.
The main problem is that these days, I can't tolerate 5 seconds of advertising anymore plus the constant shit run during the programmes and logos etc in the frame during movies. Even IFC, a long time holdout as a self-described defender of the pure movie experience runs ads during the movies and puts it's frucklin logo in the frame. The movie channels are nearly a complete waste and I'm thinking seriously of changing to 2-at-a-time Netflix. The only good feature of movie channels are those rare gems that I might not ever hear about. Though I have many friends with similar musical, automotive, artistic, and equipment tastes, only one also has a similar taste in movies.
I'm perhaps am not the most informed commentator on which TV to buy as the 32" Sony (2005) I have is only the third TV I've ever owned. It replaced a 27" Sony XBR of 1994 that went up in smoke with a Pioneer DVD player when the electrical contractor was working on the house- otherwise I'd probably be watching that one. The 32" cost about $550 and I think it's among the swan songs of the CRT- a very good picture, very good sound, plenty of inputs, many programmable features and adjustments including picture modes.
Therein's a very important lesson about television and monitor technology that it gets both better and cheaper, but when it is a good idea to change? In situations where an advanced technology is not strictly necessary, waiting to buy is like money in the bank,..
The Future: Despite my subject title, there has been superb programming and I think TV has a long, influential, and highly profitable future and when it grows up to be an adult, could be a positive force- but it's unlikely for a long time.
And though it will be along time before I replace the 32" Sony CRT- it's good enough for my use- I do keep a low-level watch on the various TV technologies and I have to say, Blu-Ray on a big plasma screen is amazingly good - the first time I saw it, I was drawn across the showroom floor from 50'- it was just that obviously better. The 1080 LCD's are getting to be very, very good, LED is promising, and even the giant LCD projection screens are becoming of acceptable quality. I well remember the horror of early front projection sets that were washed out if there was a candle burning in the neighbour's house and the image would disappear is you moved 8" off axis. Price is an important aspect for me and the plasma and LCD's continue to drop to being nearly attractive. When I can buy a 42" 1080 line panel for under $1,000- and Blu Ray survives- I might do it. -I remember fondly too when the first large Philips plasma cost $15,000.
As I'm typing, I'm watching on another of the last CRT monitors offered- a 22" NEC - about $450 in 2006. Computers monitors are clearly a realm where I can't see any benefit of any kind to CRT- go directly to LCD. I spend a lot of time with CAD and my next monitor will be a 28" or larger LCD- those will have to improve and drop a bit further in price.
As for adopting a new TV technology, I'll let that purchase be a celebration when my personal recession is over- and after a new computer monitor, new cartridge, new speakers, and new Jaguar roadster- which will have to be a used 2014 model. By that calculation, I'll probably be on the market fro a new TV in about 10 years,..
Happy hunting!
Cheers,
Bambi B
Follow Ups:
... there is some embarrassment at Fox News and CNN, though. I like to tune in in hotels when I can just to see if they're really as I remember them. Living on the other side of the pond, we've still thankfully got Channel 4 News but BBC TV News is rapidly dumbing down.
Although I agree TV is generally a dire medium, certainly in the countries I know at all, every so often something as brilliant as Mad Men comes along to confound one's pessimism.
You've still got to watch the box, though, if you want to be a part of society, don't you think?
...and TV is the primary vehicle of advertising, therefore...
But the really interesting question is what form society will take after mass consumerism has run its course. It's proven to be a failure, but what a spectacular failure it has been: melting the polar ice caps, driving most species to extinction; Famine! Floods! and all for an SUV, a VCR, and night on the town. So what's next? I'm expecting scattered hunter-gatherer societies with a deeply unenlightened outlook, even though there are more worthwhile possibilities. But how does one fight for them?
Oh yeah, LEDs really suck.
Now it's no better than GMA or similar-soft human-interest stories predominate, with lots of phony-ass banter between the news readers. Frankly, if it weren't for college football, F1 and MotoGP, the thing would be used exclusively for movie rentals. Any programs worth watching (HBO, Showtime, 'Breaking Bad', etc.) are all available on rental DVDs. Seriously, who watches a program like 'Two And A Half Men'?
I do. I think it is very funny.
Though I'm amazed I'm admitting that in public.
I like what I like. It makes no difference what someone else thinks. :-)
it's a funny show. powermatic could use a little humor.
Just dreaming of a bevy of hookers...by association.
And, your point....:-)
And here I thought this David Pogue fellow was all sophisticated and whatnot....
; >
You have me confused with that New York Times guy. Relieved?
...You apparently drink the stuff.
humanly possibly, yeah, it's a damn laff riot.
TV long ago left the comparatively subtle world of sexual innuendo or double entendre-much less nuance-long, long ago. Remember when 'Married With Children' seemed risque? As stupid as that program was, in retrospect it seems like a gently subtle send-up of suburban life. Now it's more or less a constant string of 'I'm soaking wet', 'yeah, that's what she said' add-laugh-track "humor". I'd call it sophomoric, but I wouldn't want to insult second-year college students. Or second year high school students. Or second year grade school students.
Go nuts if you think it's so hilarious. And I'll admit, I never watch it, so maybe I missed all those really, really funny episodes.
It's one of those shows that you can guess the entire plot within the first 30 seconds.
And I agree, the sex "jokes" are a bit sophomoric.
We really need another good prime time comedy show.
Lighten up. It's just TV. Watch what you like and ignore what you don't or don't watch it at all. I don't know if I'm the college sophmore, the high school sophmore or the second grader. My wife might say they all give me too much credit. :-)
Well said. Hardly worth an argument, but I generally feel the responsibility to reply to GK in a manner worthy of his post.
BTW, I agree that the entire subject is off topic as per the OP-should have mentioned that somewhere in my Scathing Diatribe vis-a'-vis Charlie Sheen-oriented tv sitcoms. Hopefully the OP got the info he was looking for, though he seems to have left the building.
vaya con dios.
I am touched you would bother to respond. My suggestion is watch more comedy, it's the best medicine. LOL
would be time better spent.
I'm ok with staring off into space, on occasion, as well.
It's mind boggling. All the science and arts and independent media shows on the public stations, and one time out of 40 ThisTV has a great old Ken Loach film or something.
I also liked Sarah Connor Chronicles...but no one else did => terminate....
Bambi,
I couldn't agree with you more on your assessment of Fox. It just doesn't get any worse. I bought the last Sony Wega large screen CRT and will live with it's fine picture but will use it for my library of concerts, special programs and my own personal concerts. Regular programming sucks as we all know. I'm with you!!
He's asking about a given technology and not about the value of television.
If you don't like it, don't watch it.
There are a few places you can turn on the Internet to read interesting ideas expressed well by smart, regular people. AA is one of them (even if you have to tolerate a lot of bullshit to find it). Bambi B is one of the few who, if you could "follow" AA members like you do on Twitter, I would follow. The art, the extraordinary knowledge of ARC gear, readily shared--reading these posts is a privilege.
Jim
I don't have a problem with the content. I just didn't see how it responded to the OP's question.
I apologize for offending anyone.
Just between you and me, I agree with you. Shhhhhh. :-)
(The post is interesting, but it certainly had me scratching my noggin a bit as a response to whether anyone still makes CRT!)
Thanks Josh. I didn't think I was arguing for political correctness but I sure offended some. It wasn't my intention.
I'm just sayin'...
Quit being the PC cop of postings.
PC cop? Really? I suggest you not read my posts. I apologize for my shortcomings.
And a great read as well.
Relate it to the OPs request for information.
tv programming and its near complete unwatchability. So I watch only
a movie on TCM now and then, and of course football. However ... the
NFL is becoming unwatchable because of the constant commercials;
college football is not nearly so commercial-filled.
We have to remember: tv, radio, newspapers, magazines are sales
media first and foremost. Their supposed use or mission to
convey information or entertainment is but a thin veneer for their
real purpose. A good radio/tv personality MUST be able to sell
product or away he/she goes.
Mike
I don't know. The endless blather of, minimally, three analysts, color guys, etc. is driving me to distraction. Throw in the pretty blond roaming the sidelines for the odd timely human interest angle and it seems that the games themselves have become secondary.
Think I'm overreacting?. Do yourself a favor and checkout the occassional replay of a game from the '70s or '80s on ESPN classic and drink in the momentary lapses of silence and the actual relevance to the action on the field of the commentary. It complements the action and is so much mor a "...just the facts, ma'am..." style of delivery instead of the endless filibuster of speculation, pointless anecdotes and general narcissism that rides herd on us now.
Thanks, I feel a little better now.
Turn the sound off. I know the game and understand the rules. I don't need them to tell me what I can see for myself.
Wendall, not to intrude, but, I watch SPORTS with the SACD player on. Usually Rock & Roll, classical won't work well, I don't think. Progressive Jazz does though! Dave Matthews rules the NFL!! Cheers! Alan in Sunny Seadrift
> > We have to remember: tv, radio, newspapers, magazines are sales
media first and foremost. Their supposed use or mission to
convey information or entertainment is but a thin veneer for their
real purpose. < <
In fact, for decades it was a decent content model: Free access to programming in return for viewing advertising. And it remains, in principle at least, a decent idea. You don't need to love television programming to agree that (eg) network news has had some great moments. That's free, ad-supported content protected by well-established (and in many media, still existing) editorial standards (specifically, a clear divide between editorial control and business interests). Of course that only ever applied to news; entertainment programming of decent quality has always relied for its existence on occasional high-minded producers and executives.
But my point is that your characterization, while it may describe the prevailing situation fairly well, is a little too cynical historically. Organizations with sound principles can still create principled content. It doesn't happen as often as I'd like, but it happens.
That said, I too find television nearly unwatchable. I despise commercials, which means that model I just defended works poorly for me. I often start watching something I'm interested in, turn the channel when a commercial comes on, then fail to find my way back to the show. The result: I just sit there flipping channels until I'm stupid.
Jim
Hey Jim,
WHy not just record shows and skip through the commercials?
While some shows are now putting the adds in the show, you can skip most if not all the commercials.
But the point is well taken that content pretty much blows...except for niche stations.
I guess I'm just an old-school TV guy. I've got one of those DVR boxes, and I use it to record shows--sometimes. But sometimes I still just feel like seeing what's on TV. That's when I get into trouble.
So it's not logical. I should just record my favorite shows and watch 'em later. Maybe I'll try to do that more. But old habits are hard to break.
Best,
Jim
Ok I get it. The good old days. Remember when you could flip the channels at the top of the hour to find a show and still catch the beginning of TBS that started at 5 minutes after the hour?
Most every dvr records live tv as its playing so you can pause it, rewind, etc.
Next time you just turn on the tv to watch a show, try pressing pause.
Then go do some review stuff (like how about the Cary caa1 amp I am interested in no reviews on it) or place a phone call or fix some dinner.
If you can kill about 10-15 minutes you can just start watching and skip through all the commercials pretty much right up until the end.
But if you flip the channel you are screwed as the recorded part is erased, and the new channel is recorded.
Of course I could also just hit the record button, then go ahead and flip through channels.
It's hard to be smart when the goal is mindlessness. But I'll give it another try.
Best,
Jim
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