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Seems like many manufacturers are discontinuing Plasma in favor of LCD and LED.
Why ? Isn't Plasma supposed to be better ?
I will be in the market for a flat panel set later this year, and I am leaning towards Plasma. However I don't want to buy into an orphaned technology. Whats up ?
Thanks,
Ross
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Well, Panasonic just built a new plant to make plasmas, so at least they are in it for the long haul. Thats good, cause they make some of the best. And yes, although LCD/LED etc. has made very good progress, plasma is still the choice for picture quality.
is the mean reason why Plasma display is a dying breed, and has got nothing to do with anything else. LCD and LED displays are here to stay whether we like it or not as the stake holders dictate it and the masses who bought into the idea want it.For the time being I’m still on the market for a 70” plasma display to replace my DLP projector in my HT room. I’m counting next year that the plasma prices will go down considerably when the demand for them winds down.
If a thing's worth doing, it's worth doing well
(Proverb)
Edits: 10/22/09
I have a 50" Panasonic plasma for living room, but am planning on Panasonic xxx4000 projector for HT (thinking of 72" screen to fit between Magnepan speakers). I'm close to ruling out larger acoustically translucent screen for both sound and because we don't want a picture too big. I was thinking that a projector would be easier on the eyes than even plasma. I was suprised that you want to go from projector to plasma unless maybe your projector is old and you thought that projectors are not as sharp?
So I was wondering why you would go that route since I have been recently trying to decide between the 2. But after seeing a bit of some Sony xxx40 projector recently was quite impressed w/ what projectors can do now.
and have been very happy with them especially the one I'm using currently which is 110" diagonally with no issues whatsoever. I'm moving to plasma display because of its less maintenance (bulb) and its longevity aspect. Besides, I'm moving my HT dedicated set-up into a smaller room (16'X12') and turn my current HT room (14'X18') into a dedicated 2-channel music only.
However, I still consider the projector as the best bang for the buck regarding watching movies.
If a thing's worth doing, it's worth doing well
(Proverb)
I use Maggies as the fronts with a 60" plasma. I also do not like "too big" a picture, it just bothers me for inexplicable reasons. The other day I was watching something and I actually thought "this is too big"...probably nothing that a lot of the right drugs can't fix. :) Imagine somebody with Maggies complaining that a *screen* is too big...
One cool thing with Maggies is the IR remote shoots right through them.
I did not consider that. Good to know (or try). I see you have 1.6s.
It helps in a typical width room (non mansion), what with the screen width, the racks, and having to place the Maggies so far from the walls and still decently far apart.
Cost: plasma manufacturing costs are still below LCD costs. So why have many manufacturers exited the plasma business? More profit in LCD due to the markups (not only do you have to make them, you have to sell them to third parties who want to make money). It really is a $ issue.
Misinformation and disinformation: years of incorrect spoutings by untrained, ignorant and downright stupid retail employees has had a [negative] affect on plasma acceptance. Same goes for the online comunity. There's probably a 1:20 ratio (if not worse) of informed: uninformed pro-LCD users when it comes to the plasma vs LCD debate. You can blame the disinformation on the misinformed parties and the retailers. Too many unscrupulous retailers out there along with the ones that just want to make a buck to the ones who are forced, by upper management, to make a buck. How do they do it? Make the LCD sale -- by any means or tactics necessary. I've seen it and I've heard it. You don't know how many times I've wanted to yell "You lie!" and reach over the aisle and smack the shit out of a Best Buy employee for outright lying to a customer seeking information about plasmas.
Myths: so much bullshit in the stores and online, mountains made out of molehills, etc. It amounts to a smear compaign if you really want to get down to it. Think about the following for more than a second. How many decades did we have just Direct View CRT (what plasma technology is based on) and the world was a happy place to be? Then, all of a sudden (the last 6 or so years), that technology and its successor is bad bad bad? Gimme a fucking break!
Now, LCD is clearly the technology to get if there is certain criteria that is important to you or needed under certain circumstances. Anyone not willing to admit that isn't too bright or is a fanboy -- simple as that. However, the climate in this dabate is way off the mark mainly due to the issues stated above.
I agree with the others. I still have a Sony 34" CRT that works fine, still has one of the best pictures I have ever seen. An obsolete technology but so what - as long as it works and works well, what do you care? It's not like Betamax.
I recently bought a Pioneer Kuro plasma because it has the best picture in a bigger size than the Sony CRT. That's going obsolete too but to my eye it still beat out the LCD and LED sets I've seen. Go for picture quality now, and when you need to replace it, maybe 10 years from now, who knows what the technology will be then?
Best price I'd ever seen for the best TV I've ever seen. Better hurry, they will not last. I was actually surprised to see this one.
Plasmas have a number of disadvantages, compared to LCD sets, that are practical/physical issues, not necessarily picture quality issues.
Plasmas require more energy for any given light output and this efficiency loss, compared to LCD sets, means that the "lost" energy is radiated as heat. This heat can be substantial in a tiny room. Plasmas also cannot be made to be as bright as LCD sets. However much plasma manufacturers have worked to reduce "burn-in" issues, there remains some concern about damaging the set with static images.
I personally prefer plasma images to LCD sets. They can deliver more natural, and nuanced colors. Plasmas also have less motion artifacts, though the latest generation of LCDs are improved in this respect. The Kuro sets do pretty decent blacks.
If you look at the latest LCD sets with locally dimming LED backlighting, the picture quality is quite good. I like the top of the line Samsung and Sony sets. These sets can deliver very good black levels and don't suffer too badly from motion problems. Both seem to have a bit of restricted viewing angle, but, not anywhere as severe as rear projection sets.
...inferior shadow detail, although the motion artifacts are getting better.
But the loss of gradation in dark scenes is the killer for me. LCDs (and now LEDs) are much better with blacks and contrast than they used to be but at the expense of too much crush for me. The Pioneer, Panny and Samsung plasmas still have far superior shadow detail to my eyes.
Yes, I agree with you. It is just that the market has spoken and so we can hope that improved LCD/LED sets, or alternatives, like OLED sets, move the ball forward in terms of picture quality.
Panasonic remains in the plasma game (almost total domination in terms of making the glass), but you have to wonder how long they will stick around. After all, no one has been able to make plasmas ridiculously thin (an all important "virtue" in the marketplace) and light.
The 54" Panasonic Z1 plasma (1" thin) is available now. Next year will bring even more plasma models for the "thin is in" crowd.
...I really care more about the picture. I realize "normal" consumers love thin: the thinner the better. But as long as display is thinner than a RP, I don't care much about the form factor - great PQ, unobtrusive bezel, I'm good.
Panasonic's best screen (I haven't looked at the specs on their new/upcoming broadcast models) is the 1 sheet of glass Z1. The electronics are the same as found on the V-series, but there's a special coating on the Z1 that makes it better for rooms with light control problems. If the lighting is dim/controlled or the room is dark, it's the same as the V-series (the coating has no relevance).
It's funny how people react to the thinning of displays. What really is the difference, once a flat panel is on a wall or on a stand, between a 3.5" panel and a 1" panel? The "WOW" factor? The coolness factor? It's immaterial to people who know better. However, once again, there are plenty enough $ involved for manufacturers to steer in this direction if it increases profit. I'm into the best quality for my $, not being cool or being part of the latest trend.
I just bought a Pioneer Kuro plasma even though I was not planning on getting a new display for this particular room so soon. Since they are already discontinued, I did not want to lose the opportunity by waiting.
Kal
It matters not if the stop making them 5 minutes after you mount yours on your wall. It will still be useable. They stopped making Mercedes Gullwings a long time ago, but people still lust after them in a very big way.
Once you buy it why would you care if it's orphaned technology? It's not like you're going to replace a plasma screen if it fails. It would be cheaper to buy a new one.
FYI, I was at costco yesterday and there was a 58" 1080p Samsung plasma on display for $1649.00 An amazing price.
-Wendell
I just bought a 50" 1080 Samsung Plasma with a 5.1 HT system thrown in for $775.00 before tax. At this price it's almost a disposable item, not quite but close. The PQ is better than any LCD anywhere near this price.
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