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In Reply to: RE: That will just about get you... posted by cfraser on November 25, 2009 at 21:15:19
I have the Oppo. It is my third BD player. There is a substantial difference in BD PQ between players. That's not even considering how much better DVDs are on it.
I'm not all that interested in the other stuff. Some people buy the Oppo for the extras, but I think most buy it for the picture quality.
Jack
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Your experience is an anomaly. Especially among Oppo BDP-83 owners, as they themselves have reported.I've only had the Sony S350, PS3 and BDP-83. I didn't notice any huge diff with 1080p BD. Maybe they're all good-looking ones? The point is you don't have to pay a lot to get good HDMI BD playback, if that's all you want. I find the way players operate (speed, smoothness, glitches) a larger factor. The Oppo is still behind the PS3 in operating "smoothness" IME, but that'll be straightened out eventually.
Edits: 11/26/09
My case is an exception. I have an older SXRD TV, and despite it being a 1080p display, it only accepts 1080i inputs, then deinterlaces them (thank you very much Sony!). Differences in BDP quality may be more noticeable. I've had a Samsung, a Sharp, and now an Oppo. The first two had a lot of other issues unrelated to PQ. I'm not sure I would recommend cheap BD players to potential buyers. They are likely to end up being frustrated.
Jack
Not trying to argue because what you saw is what you saw. See? Saw?
Anyway, 1080p24 (on disc) to 1080i60 (output) is a standard conversion that is more or less simple math. There's nothing complex about it and the link below demonstrates this: no player should have an advantage when it comes to the conversion from p to i with regard to Blu-ray playback. Deinterlacing is, of course, different and better players will put the signal back together closer to the original.
But $200 now can get you something quite acceptable/functional for HDMI PQ/SQ, compared to what you got for more say 2 years ago. Still eminently disposable.I am concerned about the lifetime of the BD drives though, I've seen almost no info on that subject. I would also like to know if Oppo would be able to replace the drive in the BDP-83 in 3 years (say)...it would be a shame to lose the whole "box" if not. Do they have a MTBF for the drive? So usage patterns could be adjusted, rather than using the 83 for "everything".
I'll guess your "issues" before were more related to the attitude of the manufacturers, especially re the timeliness of FW updates to play recent BDs. I hope things are a little more stable now re that, both from the players' and studios' ends. Every new-release BD is a bit of an adventure. I almost never buy any BDs as soon as they're released, I wait until they're cheap(er), so the FW has been fixed by then and I haven't had any problems of playability yet.
It's too bad you can't use the BDP-83's de-interlacer with your display. This is one aspect of the player that is definitely superior. Makes a joke of my Pio display's de-interlacing capability, and runs all over the PS3's. Well, it'll be good for your next display. My previous main display was a Sony too. It only takes 1080i, and still I think it looks really good with BD. I haven't tried the 83 with it though.
Edits: 11/27/09
Are there small differences? Yes, there are. But those differences cannot be mistaken for large differences in picture quality and even then a person has to know what to look for: any big difference in picture quality between BD players when playing a BD with a 1080p display via HDMI represents a problem within a person's system (could be the display, the players, other connected equipment, etc). That's the concensus from experts to non-experts who own or who have owned different BD players and compared them in such a system.
The only exception to this that I have seen comes from Kris Deering (formerly of Secrets) when he commented on a prototype Ayre DX-5 Blu-ray player. Anyone familiar with his reviews of DVD and Blu-ray players knows that he isn't going to lend praise to a player unless it really impresses him. And at an MSRP of $7k - $10k, that fucker better impress!
from the source end, these days. That is kind of nice. Especially compared to DVD. I am continually impressed by the Oppo's DVD capability, compared to my other Oppo/PS3/Panny playing DVD.
I play way more DVD than BD at this point, strictly because of the variety I have. I don't feel hard done by with DVD. Though there is a depth I quite like that you get from the better/typical BD that just isn't there with any DVD, even the best ones. I bet this "depth" can vary and be more prominent with the very finest BDPs...I would pay more for more of that.
I haven't compared any of the better BD players, but I think that may be what the Oppo has that my earlier players didn't do as well.
Jack
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