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I enjoyed Avatar in 3-D and I don't even like most movies. I would like to see a movie such as Australian in 3-D for the cattle stampede scene, for instance, before I make up my mine ;-)
[I'm a video Luddite otherwise, still stuck on CRT technology.]
Not soon.
There's no 3D movie I can't live without and I hate the freakin' glasses.
The only 3D movie I truly liked was Coraline. ONE movie.
I may purchase a piece of gear that's 3D capable, but that won't be the reason I'm buying it.
hi ole, what's up with life recently?
your questions:
=> will i buy into 3D?
absolutely! just watching snipets of them it's enough to make me drool.
=> will i buy a 3D TV now - if available today?
no. because some features of HDMI 1.4ver are not going to be implemented yet in this year's TV models. features like internet content steaming over HDMI and full spec'd HD audio steaming via the "audio return channel" look like they will be implemented only sometime next year. i would hate to be agonising over another round of upgrade in just a year's time.
=> Will i buy a new 3D receiver?
no. because some features of HDMI 1.4ver are not going to be implemented yet in this year's receiver models - especially shared internet streaming over HDMI, between network enable devices. wired lan carries it own set of RF gabbage, so if it can be confined to only the TV sets, it would greatly cut down noise pollution to the sensitive audio elecronics on the recever. so just as it is with buying 3D TV this year, i would hate to be agonising over another round of upgrade in a year's time.
=> Will i buy a new 3D blu-ray player this year?
the new upcoming ayre player looks interesting with it's pure-audio HDMI output (in addition to the alternative AV HDMI output) - which i reckon hanson made so that it will be able to sync-with-minimum-jitter with HATS enabled receivers. but this ayre player, is already obselete even before it is launched. come the 2nd qtr of this year, a blu-ray player is expected to function as more than just an optical disc player. they are now expected to function as a full-fledged media player, with idiot-proof windows to media content from broadband networks, much like what the PS3 is currently doing. and again, if the ability to steam internet content into the blu-ray player can be enabled from the TV set via the HDMI 1.4ver connection between them, the noise pollution could be isolated to only the TV, allowing the user to have more pristine sound quality from the blu-ray player.
conclusion:
3D is great.
but in rushing to get the products out into the market before the fifa world cup, every piece of hardware to reproduce it is not "fully loaded" and still would need some more makeover.
but come same time next year, there will be other new features on the horizon - inevitably. well, so it goes, on and on.....
but 3D is really great. have u seen it?
The idea of sitting in my own living room with those goofy f'ing glasses on does not appeal in the least. Gives me a headache just thinking about it.
HA!
Even if 3D "takes off", it will need to be used in films better than Avatar for me to adopt. I predict 3D will not take off in home video and I will not be buying in.I feel like enough of a moron for expanding to 7.1 shortly after Blu-ray came out. I enjoyed the 7.1 discreet channels for Pan's Labyrinth and Oldboy and thought it would be the new standard. Two years and about 60 BD purchases later those are still the only 7.1 titles in my collection. Should have left well enough alone with 5.1.
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We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
Edits: 02/12/10
FYI, I've seen the capabilities of 3D done correctly for HT on 40+ inch JVC television with special light-weight polarized glasses (CigGraph conference, New Orleans, last summer) and it's a highly addictive, immersive experience for most folks.Trust me, many video enthusiasts and even a lot of doubting Thomas hold-outs will want 3D when it arrives, especially if it isn't priced beyond their means in this somewhat volatile economy.
Here's a clue: Not everything will be produced in or transferred to 3D and no one would want to watch all programs that way anyway, BUT for some events, films, new animation and group demos, the new 1.4 HDMI supported 3D standard will pave the way for more involving, diverse viewing.
Even your Play-Station 3 will probably be adaptable to the new 3D processing, so we'll see how quickly you change leotards after the roll-out and SONY gets fully on board. ;O)
Cheers,
AuPh
Edits: 02/15/10
A 40 inch screen in a normal room will be way too small to get anything out of 3D. Only a front projection system may be adequate in size to get some credible effect.These are 3D Achilles heels.
1: You need glasses and the better 3D systems require rather pricey glasses. You gonna have a Super Bowl party, go and buy what 6-8-10-12 sets of glasses. Yeah and your kids breaking these glasses as they use them?
2: Colour and contrast are much reduced over standard hi def t.v. imagery.
3: 3D for sports, PFFT! Really football for one from standard camera views are generally further away the 3D effect is minimal at best. Same for any of the other sports unless you set cameras on field where you are in the middle of the action, and that is not the way we watch sports.
4: Content will be few and far between worth watching.
5: Some people get headaches and nausea from the effects.
6: There is no consumer demand crying for 3D.
3D will be to video what DVD-A and SACD were to audio a NICHE!
4K broadcasting, NOW THAT IS SOMETHING TO FOLLOW! Double the resolution of 1080p.
BTW, 3D for video gaming, well the future of video game will not see using t.v.s anyways. The future will be gamers wearing glasses or helmets with small OLED video displays synched to each eye. The 3D effect can then be done and gamers will play via virtual reality sorta like Nintendo Wii on steroids.
Edits: 02/15/10
IMHO, the market already exists and is pretty strong even though the prospects for home theater are still up in the air. That, I suspect, will be determined by marketing and MSRP.
> > > "A 40 inch screen in a normal room will be way too small to get anything out of 3D. Only a front projection system may be adequate in size to get some credible effect." < < <
You apparently didn't see the JVC 40+ inch LCD TV and system that I had the opportunity to check out at CigGraph. The visuals virtually leaped off the screen. It was a very impressive presentation even when the rotated material being shown wasn't so great (Brendan Fraser in the otherwise terrible film Journey to the Center of The Earth for instance). The 3D presentation, even with such a lackluster film, was so eye-popping that you just didn't want to walk away from it.
> > > "These are 3D Achilles heels." < < <
But it's 3D Telephus which is king (Mysia TV) and will survive in spite of Achilles reluctance. ;O)
> > > "1: You need glasses and the better 3D systems require rather pricey glasses. You gonna have a Super Bowl party, go and buy what 6-8-10-12 sets of glasses. Yeah and your kids breaking these glasses as they use them?" < < <
True, but not for every system (there are 3 or 4 posible systems as I understand it, and at least one of them will require no glasses. If these competing systems are compatible and a protracted "war" over the 3D market can be averted then the future looks bright and multi-dimensional!
In most cases some of the polarized glasses are required. Most are comfortable, light weight and inexpensive so that replacement for damage won't break the bank. Again, it depends on which system is used.
> > > "2: Colour and contrast are much reduced over standard hi def t.v. imagery." < < <
Marginal loss of brightness and color resolution; yes, there may be a trade-off with some systems, but there will always be ways to compensate and with 3D images the immersive factor should more than make-up for any loss in other areas.
> > > "3: 3D for sports, PFFT! Really football for one from standard camera views are generally further away the 3D effect is minimal at best. Same for any of the other sports unless you set cameras on field where you are in the middle of the action, and that is not the way we watch sports." < < <
Before criticizing, maybe we should wait and see what can be achieved. Right now, you're speculating. We see things in stereo, but televised sporting events are only seen in 2D. So why can't stereo-optic cameras produce a more involving 3D interpretation of the action?
> > > "4: Content will be few and far between worth watching." < < <
Again, that's pure speculation, not to mean a matter of subjective judgment.
> > > "5: Some people get headaches and nausea from the effects." < < <
True, but that's a very small percentage of folks and as the 3D systems improve the side effects of watching stereo-optic films and sports should decline as well for most folks.
> > > "6: There is no consumer demand crying for 3D." < < <
That's a pretty weak argument. Avatar's worldwide success in 3D is a fair indication that there already is a demand for 3D product and that the demand will be there for 3D capable HT systems if the technology is perfected and interchangeable, backwards compatible with existing media (hardware and discs) and pricing makes it reasonably accessible to a wide audience.
Some version of MasterImage 3D will likely be the most accessible for many folks due to cost dependent upon application (see link), but it's still too early to tell which system or systems will prevail. Nevertheless, I wouldn't be too quick to write off 3D in home theaters if I were you.
> > > "3D will be to video what DVD-A and SACD were to audio a NICHE!" < < <
Perhaps, but SACD, and to a lesser extent DVD-A were great formats, albeit incompatible at the time. Some form of high resolution audio format will gradually replace the CD (probably BD-Audio, as Neil Young and Tom Petty have experimented with). The success of stereo-optic 3D will depend upon cost and whether it's compatible with existing media and other 3D systems. Of course demand will be a factor, but that's what marketing is all about. :O)
> > > "4K broadcasting, NOW THAT IS SOMETHING TO FOLLOW! Double the resolution of 1080p." < < <
I won't argue with you there, but 3D technology will be one of the areas of R&D that will further that prospect; it's part of the 1.4 HDMI standard that is expanding the perimeters of all HD.
Cheers,
AuPh
The system that is said to require no glasses requires you to sit in the " Head in a vice" sweet spot. There is no way to make 3D viable in room to multiple viewers without glasses to give the effect.
Avatar's success was based on a big screen experience and much hype. There is NO, ZIP, ZERO consumer demand for home 3D. Before Avatar did you hear any? Do not assume a lot of people going out to a movie theatre to watch a 3D movie as Avatar with any credible effect to consumers wanting to buy into it for home. Unless you have say an 90inch or larger screen t.v.s in home are TOO SMALL to be immersive and will only be a tiring gimmick forcing viewer to wear silly glasses all of time. Add the fact that the movie and t.v show makers will only use 3D in gimmicky and unnatural ways (as past 3D movies have demonstrated going back some 50 years. Don't forget 3D is nothing new) will add to the tiring effect of it all. Then again add as I said the lower contrast, brightness, colour and resolution well it's not a sustaining product effort. As I said 4K t.v. is the direction industry should go.
I'm sure it is impressive "done right", although Avatar was supposedly "done right" and I found it nauseating and unpleasant compared to good traditional film.My point is there will not be enough content "done right" to make it worthwhile. Thus my analogy to adopting 7.1 two years ago and still waiting for significant content that would justify the addition of two channels.
I have no problem admitting that I adopted a new technology too hastily. Unfortunately, I'm trading posts with someone who still thinks adopting HD DVD was a bright idea.
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We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
Edits: 02/15/10
I just talked to an A/V specialist last weekend (from whom I've purchased Gallo Reference gear) who absolutely raved about the 3D prospects of Avatar! He's seen it several times projected in different ways, but the IMAX 3D is apparently KILLER (I've seen it in 3D, but not the IMAX 3D). He is already gearing up for 3D sales (most of his clientele are high-end HT enthusiasts).
> > > "I'm trading posts with someone who still thinks adopting HD DVD was a bright idea." < < <
It WAS at the time (the region/zone blocking issues being what they are for the "BD cartel" nazis), and I have no regrets. My investment was minimal and I have lots of great films to show for it and two fine players that upscale DVDs well. My current BD set-up (with region/zone modified Oppo players) probably bests your own (even if SONY provided your system to you gratis in compensation for cheerleading efforts! ;^> ), but please, lets not get into the "mines bigger than yours" debate (you probably feel inadequate enough as it is! -grin).
Cheers,
AuPh
> > I just talked to an A/V specialist last weekend (from whom I've purchased Gallo Reference gear) who absolutely raved about the 3D prospects of Avatar! He's seen it several times projected in different ways, but the IMAX 3D is apparently KILLER (I've seen it in 3D, but not the IMAX 3D). He is already gearing up for 3D sales (most of his clientele are high-end HT enthusiasts). < <Hooray for him, but there are maybe three films of Avatar's hype released each decade and it is impractical to buy a new display and other hardware for these few titles...despite the saps who make up his clientele. I saw it on IMAX 3D and as I've said before, it did not wow me. It seemed like many staggered 2D layers and not real 3D. I preferred the visuals in an HD broadcast of an Avatar ad I saw on my kuro plasma. The color and detail was much more attractive than it was in the theater. Frankly if you put the images side by side, I don't see how anyone would choose the 3D unless they are into gimmicks for the sake of gimmicks.
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We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
Edits: 02/15/10
> > > "there are maybe three films of Avatar's hype released each decade and it is impractical to buy a new display and other hardware for these few titles..." < < <
A lot more 3D films are on the way, most with less "hype," but since hype seems to be what you're all about I could see how that might impact your impression of this relatively new more involving cinematic experience. The bottom line is that GAME CONSOLES will probably lead the way, just your revered PS3 tipped the balance in BD acceptance.
I find it rather amusing that you now seem to be doing a 180 in respect to what has become a hot movie and game playing technology when I'm pretty sure that SONY will be in the vanguard of marketing the new 3D format to gamers and film enthusiasts as it gets rolled out this year.
> > > "Frankly if you put the images side by side, I don't see how anyone would choose the 3D unless they are into gimmicks for the sake of gimmicks." < < <
Immersing one's self in a more involving, realistic film experience isn't gimmickry unless you perceive most technical advances to film as gimmicks. Was Cinemascope a gimmick? How about Technicolor? Is surround sound a gimmick? Is the whole concept of "home theater" a gimmick? Arguments could be made that all technical advances to film entertainment were gimmicks when first introduced, but it's a slippery slope. You'd better give some serious thought to which side of the anachronistic fence you really want to root yourself if you're going to start cheerleading the world's last Luddite colony. ;^>
AuPh
> > A lot more 3D films are on the way, most with less "hype," but since hype seems to be what you're all about I could see how that might impact your impression of this relatively new more involving cinematic experience. The bottom line is that GAME CONSOLES will probably lead the way, just your revered PS3 tipped the balance in BD acceptance. < <
Junior was lucky to get a PS3. He ain't getting a new display. And my point about hype was that this whole push for 3D is to capitalize on the hype of Avatar. Once that's gone, all you're left with is a gimmick and memories of a winter blockbuster. For future reference, people who are deeply into jazz are not all about hype.
> > I find it rather amusing that you now seem to be doing a 180 in respect to what has become a hot movie and game playing technology when I'm pretty sure that SONY will be in the vanguard of marketing the new 3D format to gamers and film enthusiasts as it gets rolled out this year. < <
I was never into Sony for the sake of Sony--that was your misinterpretation of why I adopted Blu-ray and spoke on its behalf. Sony can build all the 3D gear it wants; I won't be buying any. I wouldn't even download the 3D update for the PS3 if I could help it. But the PS3 downloads updates automatically.
> > Immersing one's self in a more involving, realistic film experience isn't gimmickry unless you perceive most technical advances to film as gimmicks. < <
This coming from a guy who wasn't even interested in lossless audio for movie tracks.
> > Was Cinemascope a gimmick? How about Technicolor? Is surround sound a gimmick? Is the whole concept of "home theater" a gimmick? Arguments could be made that all technical advances to film entertainment were gimmicks when first introduced, but it's a slippery slope. You'd better give some serious thought to which side of the anachronistic fence you really want to root yourself if you're going to start cheerleading the world's last Luddite colony. < <
Was Jaws a gimmick? No. Was Jaws 3D a gimmick? Yes.
Case closed.
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We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
I'd say 1 in 50 chance that I'd go for it even if the price were the same. 3D doesn't really interest me. It's neat and nifty I guess. I will have to replace my PJ one day, likely soon (old X1, will replace when the bulb dies), but standard HD will be more than fine with me.
We'll have to agree to disagree about global warming until the next global cooling scare comes along
It may have been better to say "Will you buy you next component(s)/system with 3D in mind?". For example, the next display I get will probably have 3D capability, whether I intend to use it or not is another story. The reason for this is that most manufacturers will probably limit 3D technology to their top models (another justification for a premium price) because they are usually technologically better than their lesser cousins. Look at Panasonic's upcoming plasma line for an example of this condition. Their top of the line models have some features that the lower end models do not. If you want the higher end model, you'll also get 3D capability -- something the other models also don't have (ie, you'll get 3D capability thrown in whether you use it or not).
Guess what? That counts as a vote for 3D because the sold panel is 3D capable, even though that panel is never used for 3D.
nice one!
kinda like the trojan horse strategy.
it worked too for SACD. all sacd players play CDs and hybrid SACDs have a CD layer that plays in all CD players.
actually the entry price for "3D ready" TV is going to be lower than what a lot of people imagine. as and when they wanna go 3D, just add the sync emitter and the required number(s) of 3D glasses.
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No, not interested in taking a step back in image quality (colour and contrast suffer with 3d and it has too many artifacts) just to get what movie makers and t.v. shows will do, put gimmicky 3d images at you. It's bad enough that all too many movies lack substance today just to get special effects. Next 3d may look interesting on a big screen including IMAX but at home with smaller t.v.s even front projection it will be more lost. As for the hype of it being great for sports! REALLY? Football for one from the point of standard camera views will not reveal any real 3d effect. Oh some gimmicky angles may show some but do you want to watch a complete football game in only these angles?No, I am interested in 4K video displays. At least the development of 4K will yield better imagery. Finally there is so little 3d content who cares, old movies and t.v shows cannot be made into 3d so we will only get a sliver of what ultimately due to a creatively bankrupt movie and t.v industry will be gimmicky crappola.
Edits: 02/11/10
No, for three reasons:
1) Just upgraded to a full HD system, don't feel like laying out more money at this time.
2) Early comments say that demos look like cardboard cutouts on a flat background, kind of like the old 3D Viewmaster images - not very realistic
3) Lack of software, and let's face it, the old 3D movies were pretty much all gimmicks with no story value. There are still a hell of a lot of great old 2D movies that are not yet available in HD.
No. Maybe sometime in the future I'll change my mind but for now the 3D affect is not something I desire, especially at added cost.
Show me the movies, and give me a good demonstration first ;-)
But I may hold off until I can join the great unwashed masses on this one. For instance, why rush out to be the first one to adopt HDMI 1.4a until the content actually demands it. Call me when it becomes standard equipment on the Playstation 3.
Definitely not for 3D only. I have 3 systems, main, basement and bedroom. I just upgraded the bedroom TV. I have projectors in the main and basement system. The basement is a base 720p model that is a couple of years old and I mainly use the system for daytime TV (main room is too bright) like football. When enough software is out there and I have the upgrade bug I can think about how I can install the main system 1080p projector and rotate it down to the basement. I would not think i is something I'll likely consider for at least a few years unless something breaks and is not worth fixing.
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