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In Reply to: RE: What LED TV mates well with a laserdisc player? posted by centaurus3200 on June 29, 2011 at 22:00:21
Tough. I went through this a couple years ago. You mostly have to just try it, so get at a place that allows easy exchange. I ended up with a Toshiba for my SD display, I am surprised how good it looks. [I am definitely no Toshiba fan, it just worked out the best for what I wanted (Oppo music display at home and portable for cottage viewing). They seem a lot better quality now than the pretenders they've been for the last few decades IMO.]
The CF will be a lesser issue to PQ than the (IMO/E) horrible upscaling of SD material by the display. Since even dirt cheap current HDMI players do a fairly decent job of upscaling, display manufacturers bother trying even less these days. Besides that so few people seem to really care. So that external scaler would probably be a good idea. Also, don't assume a 720p display will look worse with SD than a 1080p one. And the display has the least chance of looking crappy with SD the smaller the display size. To match a 4:3 27" you'll need well into the 30s of 16:9, probably a 42" to make it worthwhile. If you really really care about PQ you wouldn't be looking at "LED" displays, but yes there are good reasons for LCD, just not absolute PQ so much...
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unfortunately, i don't :-(
but let's see if i can hang. you are saying that the PQ (picture quality) wouldn't be harmed by current HDTV's 3D comb filters (CF) compared to the HDTV's crappy upscaling abilities? you are referring to laserdisc as SD (standard definition?).
what's a decent used upscaler? will one of those $100-$200 used adjustable faroudjas work? i can get a faroudja NRS for like free - but they are proprietary to a specific application, correct?
we are looking at a 42". so, you think that LCD looks better than LED? i've heard that some people still prefer plasma over the others.
again, we will buy a bluray player. but LDs are a dollar... or free - hence why i'd still like them to look decent on a new display. plus DVDs can't touch LD's uncompressed digital audio for concert discs. does bluray still compress audio? or is it cd quality (or better, like SACD or DVD-A)?
thanks,
Robby
I don't *really* know my stuff, it's just that I ran into some similar problems trying to find a "good" display for SD video.Yes, SD=standard definition, let's say anything below 720p to cover all the bases.
I have never used an upscaler myself. My friends with projectors have them. Mostly they were for regular TV signals and DVD, and to get an aspect ratio or custom size that built-in upscalers couldn't do.
LED=LCD display with LED backlighting (regular LCD uses fluorescent lighting). Yes, I meant that plasma is the preferred PQ choice, if it otherwise suits. Plasma uses more power and can make the room hotter too (not much in 42" though), and requires some sort of room lighting control (though not nearly as much as for a projector) i.e. darkish. LCD is much much better in a bright room, and is better for static images (perhaps some games).
Basically I meant that I would guess the SD upscaling ability of a given current display model would have greater effect on the picture quality than the CF differences between models. I don't think too many display manufacturers are concentrating on SD performance, so you just have to try displays to find one that happens to be OK with SD. Or find somebody with very current experience, display guts change at the drop of a hat these days.
I think the best DVD audio would surpass most LD audio. BD audio is at least that good, and can be (usually is) lossless audio of a very nice quality. It can easily tax a very fine audio system i.e. the BD source will likely not be your sonic limitation. Not saying it's as great as the greatest analog, but it's very good and quite flexible too. [Edit: sorry, I was thinking of BD audio discs there, and not so much the audio tracks of BD movies, which are also very decent.]
Edits: 06/30/11
The great majority of laserdiscs have digital audio tracks encoded at CD's standard of 16/44. In the early days of laserdiscs, however, the tracks were analog only. Later, as surround sound became more prominent in movies, laserdiscs adopted Dolby AC-3 (the early name for Dolby Digital's lossy format). However, an RF output was needed to make use of the surround tracks and the addition of the AC-3 tracks did away with the right channel analog track. Then, toward the "end", DTS was able to get some laserdiscs encoded in their surround format. For DTS' laserdiscs, they did away with the digital PCM tracks (both analog tracks remained).
Today, the majority of Blu-ray movies are encoded with DTS-HD Master Audio. This is a lossless format which, once decompressed, is equivalent to uncompressed PCM. The common bit depth and sample rate is 24/48, though there were some movies which were put on disc as 16-bit. The 48kHz sample rate is the movie industry's standard: some concerts have 96kHz tracks. The first couple of years saw Blu-ray encoded with uncompressed PCM, Dolby Digital (lossy), Dolby TrueHD (Dolby's lossless format) and DTS (lossy).
my system is primarily for 2 channel music. video is just something i hook up to it for a value add. i'm not really a hometheater guy. and am perfectly happy with quality stereo sound.
my system is pretty revealing though. even though i'm using 60 year old mcintosh MC60 tube monoblocks - the yamaha NS-1000M monitors can still get a bit edgy on compressed material. hence, why i like LD playback compared to our ancient 2002 POS philips DVD player.
Robby
Blu-ray surround sound can be downmixed to stereo, be it an analog output or a digital signal to a DAC. A room full of speakers isn't necessary.
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