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In Reply to: RE: 3 things posted by Joe Murphy Jr on June 30, 2011 at 14:45:02
i lust was CLD-97 but have never seen one in person. so, my statement were based on hearsay. i do really want a 97 though. especially for use as a bad-ass cd transport. and it's soooo purdy ;-)
but i only paid $100 for the CLD-79. i can't justify $500-$700 for the 97. $300? probably, but more than that - i'll just stick with the 79 until i strike gold with a great 97 deal.
thanks for the info on the DVDO Edge. is it better than the iscan or the older faroudja scalers (which are super cheap). i don't know how scalers work - do they have comb filters and you use the one in the processor - or it only upscales and you still use either the LD or the HDTVs comb filter?
thanks for your comments on plsama - it made me do some web perusing. seems LED is just LCD with LED backlighting instead of fluorescent, right? and some, i guess edge backlighting, turns off specific LEDs in the dark areas of the picture to make the blacks look darker?
but it seems there's still a raging debate over plasma vs. LED. some say good LED backlighting finally surpasses plasmas whites and blacks. BUT might not looks as natural (that plasma has a CRT organic quality to it).
plasma isn't as thin a profile as LED (i don't care - it's gonna sit on our current TV stand - not wall mounted). and it sucks up a crapload more power than LED. we don't watch all that much TV. maybe about 1-2 hours a day. so whatever - the plasma might cost like $30/yr extra to run.
what is important is the notion that plasmas break down and drop pixels a lot compared to current LED/LCD TVs. what are your opinions on this?
but i've also heard that NONE of these TVs (plasma, LED and LCD) will last longer than 8-10 years, if you are lucky. CRT still reigns in that regard.
Robby
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Panasonic rates their plasmas now at 100,000 hours until half-life. Half-life is the point when the display can only produce half of its maximum brightness. At 8 hours a day, 365 days a year, that's over 34 years. By the way, LCD manufacturers give their displays about the same rating.
I bought my 50" Panasonic in 2004, my 42" Sylvania plasma in 2007 and my oldest son's 37" Insignia in 2008. Never had a problem with any of them and none of them have a stuck or dead pixel. That's my experience.
The way the LED LCD's get their blacks darker than regular LCD displays is local dimming. An area that calls for the darkest blacks can be turned way down, but not OFF. Therefore, this is not individual addressing: with plasma, if you want the pixel at Row 7 Column 54 to be OFF, you can do it. With LED LCD or LCD, that cannot be done.
Colors are better today on LCD, and even some early LED LCDs, than just a few years ago. However, they can still, at times, have that artificial look. Plasma produces color via a completely different technology and, like CRT, produces it at the glass -- not through a filtration process starting behind the screen.
Plasmas use more power than LCDs -- that's a fact. However, most of the forums that use this as a selling point for that technology exaggerate the difference in consumption. Most of the plasmas sold today, while still not equal to LCD in power consumption, are much closer than LCD proponents would have you believe. Just remember that when you look at the power ratings, LCD is more or less a steady state consumer -- power draw is very close to constant (ie, it doesn't fluctuate a great deal with picture changes). Plasma ratings are based on the maximum draw (eg, when there are extremely bright scenes such as explosions, flashes or white screens). However, normal viewing power draw is way down from such scenes. The rating system doesn't allow for average draw, so plasma is stuck with using its maximum draw for the ratings system. There are some threads at AVS Forum where people have done their own tests on LCD vs plasma in the area of power consumption. Except for the most nitpicky people, the newest plasmas do much better against today's LCD displays than older plasmas.
Weight is something that makes me laugh when it comes to displays. Once you mount it on a wall, place it in an entertainment center or on a stand, that's it. How often do these people who whine about the weight of a display move them? Seriously, for most normal people, the only time displays get moved is when you're moving to a new house or apartment.
Silicon Image has acquired ABT, the makers of the DVDO products. You can read about the different processors they offer
well, it looks like plasma is becoming more and more intriguing. we do have morning sun into the living room - but whatever, i'm sure it still looks nice enough to watch the news ;-)
but it seems in a dark room, in the evening - a good plasma will shine compared to an LED/LCD. maybe not dramatically - but i like the more organic quality of phosphor compared to LCD. agreed?
Robby
Hello,
I bought 2 ea top of the line Sony LCD's about 6 mos ago---they do look good but compared to Panasonic Plasma---there is no contest !! The Panny Plasma's are as close as you will get to a CRT based screen--but light years better in resolution and just that look natural,organic color quality. Also,off angle you can see the Plasma screen great---with an LCD--if you're not in the sweet spot directly in front of the screen you will see S**t--it will look terrible.
Luckily--the place that I bought the Sony LCD's let me exchange them for the Panasonic Plasma's. They look AWESOME !!
Plasma is the way to go. Images look natural, no motion artifacts, deep blacks.
Don't know why the industry wants plasma to die in favor of LCD and LED.
Best,
Ross
Happy Panasonic Plasma owner !
Many LCD/LED LCD manufacturers tell you that their displays have an angle of view near 180 degrees. While technically true (you can still see a picture), the picture quality started going downhill by the time it hit 60 degrees -- that leaves you about 120 degrees of sourspot . Again, the reason for this is because of the filtration-like process in LCD displays. Plasma starts the picture right at the glass.
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