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hi,
i can't find confirmation online for the following:
- is this a THX certified model?
- does it have a 3D adaptive comb filter for standard def composite stuff like laserdiscs (yes, i'm being serious ;-)
- i heard that the G and V series are based on pioneer kuro technology - but again, i can't find confirmation.
thanks,
Robby
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hi all,
after doing lots of research between LED/LCD, LCD and plasma - i decide to go the plasma route. the image looks less "video-gamey" compared to LCD - more like a CRT. and i still spin laserdiscs from time to time. so, i wanted a display that would be kind to the old format.
WOW! love this TV! got it for $549 on closeout. i didn't need 3D, but they didn't have the G25 and the price was right anyway.
everything works as it should. plus i knew i was rolling the dice with regards to how good modern HDTV's digital comb filters look with analog standard definition formats, like LDs. i mainly use a Pioneer Elite CLD-79 (and a sometimes working CLD-97). now, i've never seen LD through through something like an old Faroudja DVP-1000 or NRS. i've only used either player's internal 3 line comb filter (through S-video) or my old sony wega 27" CRT's comb filter (composite cable). the old TV's comb filter was really mediocre. the players did better on their own.
i hooked the CLD-79's composite out to the GT25, put on the criterion CAV edition of Brahm Stoker's Dracula. IT LOOKED AMAZING! no more smearing, chroma noise knocked down to like 30% of what i was seeing previously. no more streaky blacks. then i put on a fantasia CLV - which has always looked like crap IMHO. BEAUTIFUL! like night and day. i swear there were times when for a split second, you would start to see a highlight smear, and almost immediately, it would disappear. must be some powerful interpolation going on in the TV's processor.
i'm still learning about how to get the best out of the LD format with the panny plasma, but first impression were very favorable. i'm using the THX mode, i've tweaked some of the settings a bit but i supposed i should learn how to do a fully custom setting for LD? as of now, i have DNR off on the player, i have the TV's noise reduction on weak - but i'm using the mosquito NR on the TV as well.
is the TV up-sampling the 425i LD output to 1080p? it looked pretty high-def to me. or was it doing 720? to get 425i to 1080p, is the TV"s processor quadrupling the lines or something insane like that?
how does the panny's video processor compare to the faroudja dcdi chips in other plasmas?
the only thing i saw was that you could sometimes see a fast moving object move a little jerky at times. no big deal, considering how awesome the picture looked compared to before. but wondering if i can smooth it out? or is the TV's processor just working overtime to digitize the rather rudimentary analog signal?
on another note, the USB ports are proving to be a bit restrictive. i couldn't mount my 16GB NTFS formatted flash drive. i could mount my friend's 4GB FAT32. i reformatted to FAT32 via my mac, but it still wouldn't mount. can i not use a flash drive bigger than 4GB? is there anyway to mount an NTFS 16GB drive?
i want to watch a few movies i have on my computer. if not USB, how about a 16GB SD Card? i can grab the one in my wife's phone to try.
lastly, i can't watch any video file other than MPEG2? no MKV, XVID, AVI, MOV. etc? if so, anybody know of a good MPEG2 converter for mac?
that's all for now.
see ya,
Robby
Somewhere not too far down in this Video forum somebody posted a link to AVS a while ago showing all the really good Kuro tech was NOT being used in any Panny display to date. I thought it was Joe... Panny used some of the cheaper stuff, but none of the expensive chemical processes that really give the last Kuros the big edge. Kuro Elites still sell for big bucks here.To join the "choir": I find SD looks atrocious on my Kuro*. This is why people often use external scalers. Modern BDPs have pretty good scalers, way better than what's built into displays, so not as big an issue for discs. As to why the SD looks crappy, I'm sure you can imagine that a source image that has the exact same resolution as the display device is going to map 1:1 and look good. The other part of that is blowing up an image of a given number of pixels to fill a much larger number of pixels (the HD display)...it's going to look blocky and smeary etc. without some decent intelligent processing.
* I mean when using the display's built-in scaling, but you probably understood that...
Edits: 07/12/11 07/12/11
for scaling SD - still nothing beats an older faroudja NRS (including DVP-1000 and DVP-1010)?
i know of a guy who got nice results from running his CLD-97 into his onkyo HD receiver - which has a faroudja DCDi chip into his 50" panny VT plasma.
Robby
Yes, some AVRs have excellent scaling abilities too. Sorry, forgot to mention that because I never use mine for anything "important" because it's not that great (my main disc player scales DVD just fine). Possibly a feature to look for when selecting an AVR. To get decent results the source must put out 480i and some may not.
Edits: 07/12/11
#1
yes
#2
I don't think any but the least expensive displays would have less than a 3-D comb filter. This type of design is not new (it's at least a decade old) and therefore should be the current norm in all decent displays.
#3
Panasonic doesn't advertise where their technology comes from. As for Kuro tech, some of what they purchased from Pioneer is making its way into Panasonic's plasmas. Whether or not all of it gets implemented, who knows. This display is a 2010 model and, as such, will have less Kuro tech in its design than the 2011 models.
#4
You might want to check out the plasma section at AVS Forum for more information. I think you have to be registered there (it's free) to use the SEARCH funtion, but it's well worth the visit.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=30&f=167
yeah, i saw those specs too. i'm still learning here - but would there ever be a chance - at least now, that manufacturers would make a display WITHOUT a comb filter? dvd and blu-ray don't need them. i'm thinking digital broadcast doesn't need them either?
the other nutty thing - is why do so many people say the standard def looks bad on a high def display? you'd think with modern comb filters (which are also usually line doublers, eh?) SD, like laserdisc would look pretty good. i mean a 10 year old faroudja DVP-1000 was known for taking SD to HD pretty effectively.
why can't a modern display do even better?
Robby
Standard definition video is 480i: it has to be deinterlaced (ie, turned into progressive video) in order to be displayed on a digital display. Proper deinterlacing costs money, though that cost has come down a long way over the past decade.
Scaling would seem to be an easy task, but often times the inexpensive scalers, which are usually off-the-shelf multi-task chips, just aren't up to the task.
Combine the two and you've got the ingredients for a terrible display of SD material. You also have to consider the fact that the manufacturer is going to put the most money into the parts inside the display that make High Definition look the best (it is, after all, an HD display), not polishing up lower resolution material.
but as you say - it could be of low quality.
Thank you for your inquiry. The (TC-P42GT25) has a ("Motion adaptive 3D Y/C Digital Comb Filter") which minimizes noise and cross-color in the picture. The option is located inside ("Advance Picture") as ("3D Y/C Filter"). Thank you for contacting Panasonic. Case #28784020
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