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Please forgive me if I am in the wrong forum...
I am primarily a two channel analog kind of guy, but I just recently upgraded my old fashioned tubed tv to a Panasonic VIERA TC-P42ST30 42-Inch 1080p 3D Plasma HDTV. I need your help with recommendations for a new blue ray player for movies and how to connect with my existing gear(Linn integrated amplifier - all analog design, no digital inputs or outputs) to get the best sound. I will be using a left and right speaker by Phase Technology Teatro 11.5 with built in subwoofer in each. There will be no center or surround speakers used.
I believe the new tv has both analog and digital inputs, but no analog outputs.
I will be using Time Warner High Definition cable tv, I currently have an older Sony dvd player that I will replace with some kind of Blue Ray player (need your recommendations).
My new tv hasn't been delivered yet, but I am confused on how to connect everything due to the tv not having analog outputs.
Will I only be able to have sound through my big speakers when watching a dvd/blue ray disk? Or will I be able to have the cable television show's sound come through as well by using connections via the HD cable box that will be coming? ( right now I only have a cable coming in...no cable box ) Time Warner will bring a HD cable box when they come to upgrade my service.
I apologize for my ignorance with this. I plenty of experience with tubed gear, setting up turntables and cartridges, etc but when it comes to digital and video, not so much.
Follow Ups:
Just wanted to give you all an update. My new Panasonic ST30 Plasma tv was delivered right before Christmas. I connected my equipment as Kal had suggested and I am happy to report that all is working fantastic with no lip sync issues at all! The picture and sound is unbelievable and I am very happy!
Thank you to all of you who took the time to post their replies trying to help me by sharing their advice and experieces. People like you are what make this forum so great!
Thank you.
Warmest regards,
No Regrets
Cable
Don't wait for Time Warner. Connect the cable to your TV, let the tuner tune and start watching stuff right now. Everything that isn't scrambled will be shown by your TV, whether it be analog or digital, SD or HD. You only need a cable box for scrambled channels (movie channels like HBO/Cinemax, Playboy, Pay-Per-View, etc).
Blu-ray player
At this point in time, I would recommend an oppo BDP-93 or a Sony PS3 . The oppo ($499) will get you excellent picture quality from Blu-ray and DVD. The PS3 ($249, but you may still be able to find some sellers also offering a $50 gift card with the purchase) is a monster of a media player that does almost everything.
http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-93/
http://us.playstation.com/
Connection helper
Order a monoprice HDX-401TA . It's an HDMI switcher that can simultaneously output HDMI, optical, coax and 2.0 analog. Sound will be sent to the TV -- via HDMI -- and to the Big Rig -- via the 2.0 analog. When you just want TV sound, leave the Big Rig off. When you just want the Big Rig sound, turn it on and mute the TV.
Joe,
Thanks for such a great post! Some great suggestions all the way around. The connection helper is something that I wasn't ever aware of. That just might be the ticket if things do not work out the way I am hoping for.
Thanks much!
Warmest regards,
No Regrets
The TV you picked out is set up basically to drive a 5.1 to 7.1 surround sound receiver. A surround sound receiver will decode the broadcast 5.1 surround signal from the orange-wire digital output, something that wouldn't likely happen with the signal coming out of the standard 2-channel analog outputs.
But the TV you selected is not a good choice if you plan to listen to the sound using an older 2-channel stereo receiver that lacks a digital input. For that you need a pair of conventional red and white analog outputs on the TV.
I found the manual for your TV on line and I was surprised to see that there were no analog audio outputs.
The choice is to either find a different TV, or plan to buy a surround-sound receiver with a digital input. One other possibility might be to run the analog audio output from the analog outputs from your new cable box. Some cable boxes have analog audio outputs but others may not. I would need to see what the outputs are on the back of the cable box.
David
Thank you David for your post. I am shocked also that the tv does not have analog outs....but from what it sounds, this is the way of the future.
My dealer is confident that there will be no issues with hooking it up with the analog RCA outs from the cable box to my amp for sound and then using the HDMI just for the video to my TV.
If this doesn't work, then I'll have to either get a new AV receiver or possibly a DAC might work to, such as a Peachtree NOVA. I hope it doesn't come to that though.
Thank you also for the link to the Panasonic Manual.
Warmest regards,
No Regrets
http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/TCP42ST30.PDF
I have 2 different sat boxes for tv programs. Even though i have a hdmi capable receiver, both set top boxes are output directly into the tv via hdmi, and i have the tv analog stereo output connected into the receiver. The reason is that often there is very noticeable time lag of the video via the tv when the hdmi cable is connected into the receiver first before then connected to the tv. The spoken dialogue sounds from the receiver and speakers would be ahead of the lips movement shown on the tv screen by very noticeable timing. With bigger screens, this video time lag problem becomes even more worst.Now, most receivers would have a lip-sync function to compensate for the video time lag (delaying the audio by 70ms to 300ms depending on tv models and size), but I don't recommend to use it because these lip sync function will always introduce jitter into the audio, making the sound unpleasant to listen to. I prefer to have the hdmi cable connected directly into the tv. Then the audio that's output from the tv into the receiver is perfectly syncd with the video image on screen without having any jitter problem coming to degrade the sound quality reproduced through the receiver and speakers. In your case, your linn amp neither has hdmi inputs, nor does it has lip sync audio delay function.
I consider analog stereo outputs on tv sets to be an essential feature!
Thank you Jeromelang for bringing this to my attention. I'll have to try and talk with the dealer I am getting the tv from about this and see what they have to say.
They have not yet delivered the tv to me as I am having a stand custom built for it and it will take a couple of weeks for me to receive that.
So I wonder what all the other people do that own these Panasonic Plasma TV's. I can't believe that they all just listen to the tv's built in speakers.
HDMI is the most jitter prone interface used for audio and you recommend against a receiver padding the audio with zeros because it will add jitter? Really? That's like recommending that a person who is totally blind not wear shades because they will see less detail.
hdmi cable/interface jitter cause loss of low level details, and collapse of soundstaging.
digital delay creates a type of listening fatigue and makes the listener feels "edgy"
I'd like to learn more about this. Please direct me to where I can read more information about the affects of "delay" jitter.
".....padding the audio with zeros....." = digital delay
How many zeros do you need to add to delay the audio by 120m/s?
I believe you mean " ms " (milliseconds), as the " / " between " m/s " means " per " (eg, miles/second, meters/second, etc) and delay time in Home Theater applications is normally expressed in milliseconds ( ms ). If you meant something else by m/s , perhaps you could type out the abbreviation.
But to answer your question, the DSP will output all zeros as a buffer, for a user specified amount of time (in your case, 120 milliseconds), before the audio stream it received is sent to the D-A converter. If you'd like to know how many actual zeros are in 120ms, you need to also specify the sampling rate and the bit depth.
Again, I am asking you to point me to relevant discussion of delay induced jitter so that I can read up on this subject.
You can connect the video from the cable box and the BR player directly to HDMI inputs on the TV.
You can connect the analog audio outputs from the cable box and BR player directly to analog inputs on the Linn.
You will, of course, have to switch the inputs independently.
Hi Kal,
If I hook everything up as you have suggested, do you think I will experience the time lag in voice and sound as jeromelang has noted in his post below?
I cannot see another way with the equipment you have described.
Hi Kal,
I appreciate your replies and totally understand that they are based on the equipment that I am currently using.
Hopefully I won't have the time lag problem....but if I do, and the dealer does not accept the return of my TV....is there anything I can do to remedy this problem? Is there some kind of new/modern receiver or dac that I could buy to fix this. If the movement of the lips do not match the sound...that will drive me crazy!
Thanks for any suggestions you might have.
Almost any modern AVR with HDMI functions will take care of all the issues.
Thanks Kal for your help. Just a little follow up....I talked with the owner of the store where I bought the new tv from today. I explained to him about all of the equipment that I am currently using and planning on using with the new tv when it arrives and asked him how it all should be connected. He told me to do it exactly as you had told me to do it originally. I expressed to him my concern about the possible "lag" issue and he said that I need not to worry....it will not happen as long as we hook it up as both you and he had suggested.
It will be a couple of weeks before the tv will be delivered as we are having a craftsman custom build a stand for the tv....but once it is here and all hooked up, I will follow up to let you know how it all works.
Thanks again!
Warmest regards,
No Regrets
Thanks Kal,
That's great! That makes me happy this will all work out and easy to understand.
Any recommendations on HDMI cables? I can hear the differences between cables in my two channel audio system....is it the same thing with HDMI cables, where there are differences?
You can always take it back if it doesn't work out, but for video a wireless HDMI connection just might be ready for prime time. I recently hooked up a Panasonic Viera 65" 3D to an Actiontec Wireless HD Video Transmitter/Receiver (it specs for 3D but bI have not tried that yet). I'm not a videophile, but I am a videographer and I can tell you the picture is great either transmitting from a cable box (even from another room) as I briefly had it connected or, as I have it connected now, transmitting from my Blu-ray player to the receiver connected to the Panasonic. My audio is analog connected. Like I said you can always take it back.
Robert; you know to be careful of absolutes. If your bet is large enough
I can provide a list of sources that will not take back returns! A good
source would have clued him on how to handle the situation as that is
what they deal with daily.
Good point. I should have advised to check the return policy of the retail establishment.
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