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I am going to finally add a Blu Ray player. I liked the OPPO line but a home theater tech friend said they have bad sync reviews. He told me to make sure the player has analog outputs for each channel (L,R,C,LS,RS,SW). This will be needed to decode SACD, DVD-Audio and the BluRay lossless audio formats. Denon has their DBP-2012UDCI universal player ($899.99).he has not had any issues with this player and Marantz has their UD7006 ($999.99) which will be similar to the Denon.
Advice?
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Audio vinyl is a different subject. I suggest you go low cost for the functionality desired unless you don't mind carting a big investment to e-recycling day at the dump in a very few years. I just bought a Sony Blu-Ray for $90 a few weeks ago; wi-fi and pre-programmed with the common video sites. No guilt when, in the not very distant future, I pitch it in the rubbish as everything goes on-line and cheap.I'm no longer puzzled about how how an enlightened Germany was turned to embrace the Nazis
Edits: 03/21/13
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It will be interesting to see if Oppo creates a flagship player. So far they seem to be making mid-fi level gear that is beating out the competition and offers incremental improvements over earlier models. But if/when they want to step up their game and develop a high end player that would be of interest.
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We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
Edits: 01/31/13
Please, pray tell, let us all know who manufactures just such a unit.And as for the Oppo BDP-105 being a mid-fi unit, surely you jest? It has the best video processor, the finest consumer DACs, plays every file format commonly available, has streaming capability, and is wrapped in a *very* solid, well-maunfactured chassis. Who, exactly, is making a unit that surpasses this one?
Take your time, I know you'll be looking for quite a while...
-RW-
Edits: 02/25/13
I'm saying the 105 is not as significant an improvement over the 95 to warrant upgrading. They're both Oppos, and practically the same in almost every respect.
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We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
and without equal. My disk drawer (a known issue in the BDP-83) was replaced at no cost, after the warranty had expired, and it was only gone for three days. Other brands don't even come close to this level of customer service.
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had a similar experience almost two years ago. older oppo player broken; called them, sent it to them, they returned it in a few days, no charge. has worked perfectly since.
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Yes, you could buy a little tank-like unit for $1000 that will last 15 years at least. The technology, though, will be completely obsolete in just 3 years, though. Maybe not a bad choice after all.
However, if I wanted all the network options and really good 2-channel performance along with the home theatre AND I had the money, well, then an OPPO is probably an excellent choice!
I have a Pioneer DVD that is still performing admirably ten years now. I still hesitate to buy anything that cost $89.00 though ;-)
I understant the Panasonic units in the $200.00-$300.00 bracket are mighty fine as well.
we'll probably have another format.
I have a 300 dollar Magnavox CDP in the non-theater system; it also sounds great.
And even better luck when it breaks, and it most certainly will, and you get the "pleasure" of dealing with Sony's abysmal "customer service".
At $80 he can just throw it away and buy another. How many could he buy before buying the Oppo?
-Wendell
The great American spirit, that is!! Don't buy things that perform well and last. Simply buy another disposable unit and toss the previous ones into the landfill. That's some clever thinking there...
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Instead, perhaps you should direct it toward those who are supplying Americans (and anyone else who's willing to buy it, for that matter) with disposable crap.
They are doing it in droves because of a lack of foresight. Why spend a bit more money for a well-built, long-lasting unit when BestBuy and WalMart will sell you some mass-produced Chinese products that give up the ghost after 1 or 2 years service?
American culture is built around this disposable products paradigm. As an example: A friend of mine's wife works for (Ja)Panasonic and is their top salesman for the entire East coast. She informed us one day that Panasonic has 500 year plan for the company. 500 years!! Contrast that with the typical American company that plans no further than 5 years into the future. And ALL of those American companies are slaves to the sales figure generated in the last 1-2 quarters.
This is a very basic difference in corporate culture and one that engenders the disposable products mindset of virtually all American consumers...
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Good.
-Wendell
I know all you $1,000 Oppo fans are going to sneer at this, and that's ok.
A few months ago, I was reading a basic comparison of several Blu Ray players, rating sound quality, picture quality, and disc compatibility, etc. I was surprised to see that Samsung has a player which was rated excellent in both picture quality and disc compatibility and very good in audio, for about $250 - $300. Sorry I don't remember the model or where I read it (maybe Cnet?). Samsung has been coming on strong with great products and prices in a number of categories, from cell phones to audio to refrigerators.
I don't have a Blu Ray player yet, but am thinking of getting one in the near future.
Thoughts on the Samsung players? Any experience with it?
I don't know if the Samsung can play SACD, but I don't care. I only have one SACD CD - the one I got for free from Kimber - and don't plan to buy any, but I do remember the synopsis saying that it plays DVD-A just fine. I really need to do some Googling and find that again when the "buy by date" is closer.
Marantz has great pic, sound, Oppo has more features.
Does not allow the unit to accept external inputs that make use of those DACs. The Marantz is a nice player, but it sure ain't no Oppo BDP-105...
-RW-
I heard them side by side. Marantz sounded better, I bought it.
If not it would be very difficult to make a valid comparison. Nonetheless, I am glad you are enjoying your Marantz, it seems to be a very nice player...
For me my priorities are:
1. Plays Blu Ray 3D
2. Reads all major disc formats (CD, DVD, SACD, DVD-A)
3. Transports all those formats one way or another over HDMI
3A. SACD allowed to be converted to PCM to transport over HDMI
4. Allows my cable Box HDMI to go through it and process the sound to PCM
Oppo can do all of that
Marantz does 1-3, though it is not clear about SACD-PCM over HDMI from online materials
Denon - even less clear.
What about the Cambridge Audio 752BD ?
my apologies....I had just written an answer on Audiogon regarding the worth of SACD as compared to CD's and misread this question regarding Blu-Ray which is an entirely different animal. I have a Panasonic BluRay and immediately see its value in my video setup.
...on my BDP-83 and everything lines up just fine with movies.
When I play music digitally, I've always been happy with the stereo analog outputs on the 83.
I've been very happy with the BDP-95, though I only use 2-channel for audio, so can't comment on other formats. I have not noticed any alignment issue between the video and audio, much less a 0.1 second issue, which would be... huge.
It does have all the analogue audio outputs for both 5.1 and 7.1. Its 2-channel audio quality on good SACDs can be stunningly good.
WW
I have the OPPO BDP-83.I use the analog outputs for decoding hi-rez audio because I have an older mch reliever. I use the hdmi for movies that aren't encoded in the newer formats ,and have not had any trouble with sync.
enjoy,
mark
Another long-time BDP-83 user here with no problem whatsoever. Mine is connected to the receiver via a HDMI cable. I think your friend's reason for recommending the analog output from the player itself is bogus. I've just played a few DVD-A and BluRay high res. discs from Blue Coast Records in my setup without any issue.
The only reason that I can see using analog output from the player would be if you are using the player primarily for audio. I could see doing so ASSUMING that the DAC within the player is better than the one in your receiver.
FrankC
Your "tech friend" isn't doing you any favors. I've owned my OPPO for about three years. Never had any problems and none of my friends who own one has had any issues either. If you hook the OPPO up to an ethernet connection it will automatically update its firmware (when necessary) as new software is released so it stays up-to-date.
Get the OPPO ! You'll never go wrong.
My friend stated that he did an install w/ an 105 and both the owner and himself were disappointed in the sync issues. My friend is an installer and does not endorse one product over another. He was giving me a heads up that the OPPO has some issues. I will be in contact with him to discuss the OPPO further. Just reading the reviews from owners it looks to be a slam dunk for audio playback?
My friend stated that he did an install w/ an 105 and both the owner and himself were disappointed in the sync issues. My friend is an installer and does not endorse one product over another. He was giving me a heads up that the OPPO has some issues. I will be in contact with him to discuss the OPPO further. Just reading the reviews from owners it looks to be a slam dunk for audio playback?
I haven't updated my Oppo-83 in *years*, and it still plays flawlessly.
jack
Jack G,
I've had two firmware updates for my BDP-83 come automatically over the ethernet over the past two years. These updates weren't a matter of whether or not the OPPO played "flawlessly" or not. Mine has always played fine. Both of these updates had to do with compatibility for brand new Bluray discs that did not even exist when my BDP-83 was manufactured. I know some people who do not have firmware updating universal players and they have fits when they try to play some very new discs.
Mine isn't connected online, so it gets nothing automatically.
Yes, I remember the security/compatibility issues.
I used to update the firmware when it wouldn't play a new disc (which was annoyingly often), but I haven't had that issue in at least 3 years. Have the studios (Fox-I'm looking at you!) eased up on that crap, or have I just been lucky with buying new BDs?
Just curious.
jack
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Oppo 95 owner no sync issues. I'm sure the Marantz is a good machine but Marantz has a nasty habit of coming out with new players every 6 months. If you want the Marantz, wait 6 months and buy it for half price.
I have had the Marantz SA 8004 for a month and have used it mostly on red book cds and an occasional sacd...I own the Magneplanar 1.7's and have been able to remove the 1 ohm resistor; it is a laid back(not in your face) player that images beautifully.....My purpose was primarily to play red book cds. I could not hear a difference between the 6004 player(which does not have sacd capability SA 8004) when playing red book cds )...The previous model existed for two years. They do have have three players between two and three thousand $ and those models seemed to be changed often. They hanve many universal cd player at many different prices but thought my best shot at fidelity was to get a simple two channel player. Just gets too complicated...Apparently the cd p;layers must be linked to your speakers...I just luckily blundered into this player.
Blu Ray is not worth getting....few discs, not much better than regular CD's Save your money
I think both Oppo and Marantz offer a great deal of capability and a couple of different performance points.
The only outstanding issue would be how do you prefer your sound? Are you using your player as a HDMI based transport for music and videos, or is the player expected to decode audio as well?
In the Oppo world as best as I can tell this will be either the 103 or the 105 choice. The 103 is meant to be a great HDMI based transport and decent but not spectacular sound. The 105 is like the 103 but adds in a great DAC and analog section (and balanced outputs for stereo).
THe Marantz has a similar structure for the universal players - but it is a bit harder to tell their features since the information isn't as available on line.
I have been investigating as well.
I am reading as much as I can about other blu ray players that offer higher end audio and OPPO 105 comes to the top 90% of the time. I know other units are as good, but as Bromo33333 says the info is not always on line. I run my audio out via 5.1 analog, video HDMI through a scaler. I called tech @ OPPO today and he offered to help me set it up if I need help. I am still looking @ other players. (NAD, Marantz, Cambridge and Dennon)
How about the Cambridge 752BD ?
And what is your experience with Bluray players? Yeah, that's what I thought. Find another pond to troll in, son...
-RW-
It happens all the time. Salesmen want to sell you some other product so they invent flaws in other products.
No one has mentioned the 'so called flaw' you are mentioning.
It is bogus.
if they could. It is very rare to hear anybody badmouth them with facts. Owners are very loyal, mainly because OPPO cares about their products. It's almost a personal offense to them when one of their old players (even) won't work... I have 3 that are all nicely working (980/83/93).
He is coming from an installation concern with setting up the menu. He will program to my RTI T3 but the menu is all me. He had a bad experience with an owner of a 105 who blamed his company for the sync issue so he will not be responsible to setup the menu... confusing I know but he has to program the RTI. RTI does not allow anyone but dealers to program their remotes.
Why don't you call OPPO Digital and ask them about the issue of compatibility with your RTI T3?
It appears that your tech had a bad experience programming your RTI T3 and might be blaming it on OPPO. Food for thought.
I also use remotes of a brand that is not friendly to consumers. Consumers make good debuggers...
badmouth the products they don't sell because they are in the business to make money and pay their rent. sometimes you need to let that kind of blather to roll off you like water off a duck's back.
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Still using the old Oppo BDP-83 after all these years. I follow Oppo issues more than most and did not know that there were sync issues. As far as I'm concerned it is a wonderful universal player. Will play everything. Loads reasonably fast. Delivers excellent picture and sound. Whenever I've had problems playing a disc, it has been due to a defect in the disc, not the player.
Marantz UD7006 ($999.99)
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