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In Reply to: RE: Backhanded insult taken, and, no offense taken posted by Road Warrior on July 11, 2013 at 13:06:36
I had thought of trying AVS forum, but I'm not yet a member, so thought I would try here first.
So you're not concerned about 2.35:1 aspect material burning in that part of your set?
Interesting that you are at least getting into a more technical description. What does "clouding" look like?
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Imagine a pristine outdoor scene, awash in sunlight, with part of the picture (in his case, the middle of the screen) clouded over. Hard to explain, Very evident tho in scenes with a lot of whites.
You probably know this but you don't have to be a member of AVS to peruse their discussion boreds.
Re - Burn in.
Let me be perfectly clear on this, we watch mostly TV, so our Panny's screen is filled completely up. However, we watch rented or owned DVDs and BRD's maybe 3 times a week (6 hrs) on average and there are, on almost all of the films, black bars on top. We've been doing this for 2.5 years this month, so that's about 750-800 hours (6hours x 52weeks x 2.5 years) of black bars. There is absolutely zero burn in. None, nada, zilch. The only issue I know of with plasma, these days at least, is reflections on the screen in well lit rooms. Ours is in a pseudo media room, not an issue even with ceiling cans turn up all the way. Reflections would be an issue in our living room (floor to ceiling windoze on our north wall), that's why we have the Sony in there.
One last note, skin tones are realistic on plasmas, much better than on our Sony or friends' LCD/LEDs.
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Skin tones haven't been a problem with the LED 40 incher I'm about to send back. I also found the "skin tone" adjustment to work perfectly, unlike a lot who have criticized it. If skin tones ever look unnaturally pale, adding a bit of that fixes it; almost makes it look like the over ripe "sony look" re flesh tones. The reds even look over ripe and one dimensional on the 55 and 65 inch "4k" displays I have seen. The detail is mind-blowing, though. 4k is the future, where 3D may be yet another fad that has begun to fade.
So far (besides the obvious problem with the motion color artifacts on black subjects)...the only thing I (realistically) wish this 5000 tv (that I'm returning) had, is a finer increment to the adjustment of the color temperature. I suspect no tv has this, unless it's available via a service menu.
I have browsed the avs forum many times. Never said you had to be a member to browse, not sure where you got the idea that I thought you had to be a member to browse. But I need to join it so I can post my own question about the two TV's I mention in my initial post of this thread.
I'm leaning toward the Samsung 6300; it does look very good for the money. The backlight technique looks a lot more even than on this 5000 series, and also the pixels seem a lot sharper and higher in contrast...as if the transparent layer of the panel is clearer. It basically looks like the pixels are on the surface, similar to what a good plasma tv looks like (almost like the old Pioneer Elite plasmas, but not quite). Of course it does get a bit dimmer off axis, where a typical plasma tv does not.
I have two plasma t.v.s a 42" Philips and a 50" Panny and none of them have any problems regarding pixels blowing up and on top of that both of them have been troubled free for the last 7 years.
If a thing's worth doing, it's worth doing well
(Proverb)
Edits: 07/14/13
Obvious motion artifacts even with motion flow (and its Soap Opera-ish image) turned on. It's tolerable for our 3 hour watching party at his house ever other Sunday but I'd never own it under ANY circumstance, even with its great color and contrast. But hey, if those two issues aren't deal breakers for you, go for it. But keep in mind, the issues are real, observable by ANY eye, and are well documented. The issues you bring up for plasmas are not in any way shape or form relevant for current (or near current) sets from the big (LG, Panny, Samsung) plasma manufacturers.
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How old is the plasma you own? If it's not new, then the issues I describe do apply to it.Why the overbearing hostility here? And what motion artifacts are you observing after watching a soap opera for 3 hours? You say it's well documented...how about you just tell me in your own words what specific motion artifacts you are seeing?
I've looked at a lot of sets lately, not seen any motion artifacts of any kind, other than with the one I'm sending back.
In any case your buddy wasted $2k just so he could have a "3D" 55 inch tv...that's his fault, not mine. The tv I'm considering is just over 1/3 the price of the 6400 series, yet the picture quality is equal or superior. Yawn...
Edits: 07/15/13
I could use more technical terms but it's so visible I think jerky motion is the correct description. It's apparent either in "normal" mode or when he uses Motion Flow. I would have said nothing, except you mentioned the 6300 and his is one notch up the Samsung food chain. FTR, the 6300 you mentioned is considered a "Smart TV". Reviews I lightly perused at Amazon are positive for the most part, with the usual disclaimers for systemic problems like Soap Opera effect in the Motion Flow settings, and limited viewing angle.
Your petty little dig at Ted (Samsung 6400 owner) shows you know nothing of him but it tells us a lot about you Carl.
As I mentioned in one of my earlier posts, my base model 65" Panny is 2.5 years old. Like other posters here, it has no issues.
Underlying hostility? Hardly. Enjoy whatever set you buy and post yer thoughts Carl.
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I mentioned in my very first post that the 6300 is a "smart tv"...wake up!
I've not seen any "jerky motion" in any TV's I've seen. You're saying you had two TV's up and running side by side and this 6400 had jerky motion, where a plasma did not? Or are you just commenting on jerky motion you saw...and assumed it was the fault of the tv and not the video source or content??
Haha, I'm not being any more petty than you are, and you know it ;-). !$1900 is a total waste of money on a 55 inch tv, that's just a fact.
And thanks, I do hope to enjoy whatever tv I wind up keeping...but I strongly doubt you will read anything I say about it, without a vain attempt at disputing every word of it. Thanks for caring though :P...
You asked for advice, thanked me for some, and did your small minded best to belittle and mischaracterize the rest of what I said. Here's a website for your consideration, you'll fit in very nicely with these folks
http://forums.meter.com/
Tell em Roadie sent you.
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Not true at all, and I'm not remotely small minded. I asked specifically about two LED TV's, and you and all the others who have posted, are obsessed with "panny" plasma TV's...and have had nothing intelligent or OBJECTIVE to say about the two TV's in question.
In my decades of forum experience, guys usually tend to like best, whatever they own. That however, does not entitle them to be right all the time, or even to know what they are talking about. Fanboi of the week award belongs to you though. Get over yourself, ok?
100% agreement among actual owners.
Still, I don't know...
I don't consider myself a plasma fanboi. Of my two sets, a semi hi end Sony LCD/LED, and my cheap, bottom of the line, Panny, I simply prefer the picture and lack of issues of the Panny.
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Well then I suggest you only watch your beloved panny and sell the other one.
That'd be kinda silly wouldn't it Carl? Plasma wouldn't work in there anway as we have floor to ceiling windows that let in a wee bit too much light so I felt an edgelit Sony 55" LED would be a good match, and, it is!!
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You could always read a book instead! Or else just sit at your computer and type away on the net...
Heaven forbid your living room should go without a tv!! You could always use darker curtains if there's too much light in there.
I mean, you're so passionate about the plasma tv, it just seems like you're kind of a hypocrite that you would own anything else, let alone actually spend time watching something on it. You definitely just aren't a serious videophile unless you sell the lesser tv and buy a better one...
I AM passionate about not spending more money on flippin' curtains.
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Well get shades instead or something, I don't know. Perhaps your wife needs to learn the value of a dollar...then she might not spend so much on curtains. This reminds me of those shower curtains that cost $5000...You don't work for the IRS do you? Taken many junkets to Vegas this year? Acted out any old "Star Trek" tv scenes? You know, as a "team building" exercise?
on behalf of big, medium, and little oil. The curtains turned out very nice and represented very good value relative to the house. With custom made, you always wonder if they'll look like the samples the designer showed you. I saw your system, btw. Lots of exotic goodies in there Carl. One COULD pick at the value of certain items IF one were a small minded prick.
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Good for you. Maybe as soon as I overthrow the government and instigate the next civil war, people like you will come in handy...as pawns that is. ;-)
Haha, and since you did not, that makes you not a small minded prick? Keep telling yourself that. Btw, that was my system about a decade ago...I've been in and out of highend stuff since then (and the stuff listed was not all that expensive or exotic...it was quite common.) If I could afford exotic pieces now, I would buy them. Of course I would have to be a supremely intelligent prick, rather than a small minded one who only likes what I own and wants to trash what other people own, or otherwise are curious about. Do you know anybody like that?
Not wanting a plasma tv, does not make me small minded. You thinking anyone who watches anything other than one to be an idiot, makes you closed minded.
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