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In Reply to: RE: Help me choose a tv? posted by CarlEber on July 08, 2013 at 15:08:32
Last month we purchased a Sony KDL-40R450A ($439 from Amazon) for a spare room. I am impressed with its video, delivering fine black levels, nice color saturation, and a color temperature close to 6500K. No visible lag on baseball games or on highlights from the NFL channel. A very nice TV.
In the master bedroom we have a Panasonic TC-P50U50 plasma, obtained last November from Amazon for $599. Compared with all high-end LED-driven LCD televisions I've checked out in stores (recalibrated by yours truly with permission of the salesmen), the inexpensive Panasonic plasma is clearly superior.
My wife says that watching a baseball game on the plasma (via DirecTV's MLB package in HD) is akin to looking through a luxury box window at the ballpark.
The plasma is used extensively for news (CNN, etc), business channels, Blu-ray movies (with 2.35:1 letterboxing), old b&w movies on TCM (with black sidebars), and sports. The plasma has been totally immune to pixel problems and burn-in.
We have a dedicated high-end theater room, which I designed for our house when constructed 11 years ago, yet we find ourselves watching the plasma far more frequently than anticipated. We are now huge fans of Panasonic's 1080p plasma televisions.
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I'm glad your wife and you are so happy with your 8 month old plasma. The question is, how will it look in 2 or 3 years?
Again, I've not seen any motion artifacts on any LED tv I've looked at, other than the one I'm sending back.
Motion is not the weak point of LCD/LED...
Our first Panasonic plasma (50") is over seven years old, and still looks fabulous. I know other folks that also have sets with a number of years on them, and they still work fine. Face it Carl, we wont let you get anything but a Panasonic plasma, so just quit arguing and get down to Best Buy, and do it. Plasmas are like heroine. Once you do it, you will be forever hooked. Common' Carl, you will like it...
Thanks for your input. By the way, if you have some kind of exotic horn system with tubes, I would love to come listen someday! I haven't looked at your system list...I've looked at plasmas at Best Buy, Sears, HH Gregg...there's something about the way they look that I don't like. I also don't like how they work. I especially don't like the highly reflective screen (even though I mostly watch in a darker than average basement home theater room ).
If plasma is so superior, why hasn't anyone made a 4k plasma set yet?
Could it be because the future of tv is OLED, and LED/LCD is the closest thing to that ??
I haven't just fallen off your turnip truck. I've seen plasma sets for many years, over a decade...since they first came out. I was tempted to buy a Pioneer Elite for someone, and it was only a 720p back in 2005...Originally $5000 but "on sale" for like $4000 as I recall. Kind of glad I didn't bite, even though the money was not mine anyway. The rear projector they bought instead, still works great...a couple of replacement lamps later. It was about $2500 back in '05 ( bought it online ), but listed for $3400, which was Best Buy's price. Tiger Direct closed them out a year later for $1300.
The "latest and greatest" $5000 or $6000 Panasonic Plasma, from what I saw at Best Buy ( ours has a "magnolia" room, but they don't seem to have any magnolia trees in there ), does not have the color rendition of the old Pioneer Elites. Its screen is also a whole lot more reflective than the Pioneer's of yesteryear.
The plasmas under $1000 definitely do not impress me, either. Certainly the blacks go very black, but that's about it. The colors do not look special in any way, nor does the contrast. The top of the line ones are a lot of money, which I would certainly spend instead on a front projector in the $2k to $3k range...if I was going to blow that much money right now. I would still be buying a 46 inch LED set in addition, though...
I guess no one on video asylum likes LED LCD TV's, and that's fine I guess...but it's kind of backward, clinging to old technology.
I am not against anyone enjoying the set they have. But you do come off as a fanboy rather than an objective knowledgeable person...when all you can do is shout from those internet rooftops that what you own is better than everything else ( for similar money ). This goes for everyone who has replied here so far, and not just you. You're kind of all drinking the proverbial koolaid...I'll pass thanks much though.
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The Panasonic plasma is so superior to any LED-illuminated LCD TV that I've seen that I could not live with an LED unit for everyday use. I would know what I'm missing whenever I watched the LED TV.
Like a neighbor's four-year-old Panasonic plasma, and based on my own research, I have no doubt we will be enjoying our plasma for many years to come.
Well at least you're trying to be objective and not just liking what you own...oh wait...nevermind :-D...
Sometimes it feels good to try to be helpful. On very rare occasions, like this one, it is as enjoyable as sticking a keyboard up the nose. Excuse me now, I'm having difficulty breathing...
(Permanently signing off on this thread.)
I used a brighness setting brighter than Cinema, which is perfect in my room.
Also, leaving it in pause isn't good, altho the Screen Saver comes on after a short time.
I, too, found that the Panasonic's Cinema mode provides the most accurate picture, along with the color temperature set on Warm 2.
Our Panasonic plasma TV required about two weeks of use to settle down (regarding contrast, brightness, and hue). After that I was able to fine-tune the calibration and have not made adjustments again.
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