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$4500. 240Hz refresh rate. Motion artifacts! Inexcusable for a TV at this price level. Damn you Panasonic for discontinuing plasmas. Anyone have experience with Samsung or LG plasmas?
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Remember this- resolution will only increase over time. It will never go backward and it will not remain static for long. So, 4K is no gimmick. And years from now when 8K comes out, it won't be a gimmick either. Nor will 16K, etc.
Netflix has announced that it is streaming 4K content. Considering that 2/3's of all American bandwidth was used last year on Netflix servers, I'd say when they sneeze, the rest of the industry catches a cold.
1080P looks great on 4K sets. Of course 4K looks much better. I own a Pioneer Elite Kuro, and when it finally bites the dust, it will be replaced with a Sony 4K set. Also, the XBR-65X850B is much less expensive than $4500.00.
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I ended up purchasing a 51" 8500 series Samsung plasma. Spectacular picture. No motion blur as with every LED/LCD set I've seen. Doubt it could get much better even if it was professionally calibrated. Sorry to see the plasmas bite the dust which they probably will do after this year. Hope they solve the motion blur on LED/LCD/OLED or whatever they have when the Sammy needs replacing.
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I'm wondering if it's worth considering a 4K TV at this point or wait for content to catch up while the TV prices come down???
What can we expect in terms of 4K content? What type of media will support 4K and what players? Will TV shows, cable providers, satellite providers, be broadcasting 4K? When?
Sorry for all the questions but I haven't kept up at all on 4K developments.
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If any. IMO, 4K is the new 3D, just another way the manufacturers can get your money. 4K resolution is pretty useless, unless you have a large screen (80+"). Otherwise you have to sit *really* close to make best use of it.
Jack
I hear ya. The last TV we bought has 3D capability as it was becoming harder to find 'higher-end' sets w/o 3D. We watched a couple 3D Blu-Ray discs and that was it. It was a fun 'gimmick' for brief while. ;-)
I think the quality of the 3D experience depends on how well the movie was done and on the 3D capability of the BlueRay player and/or receiver and the HDTV. When I bought my Samsung a few weeks ago, the sales person said that my TV had active 3D while his older set had a passive system. I didn't know what he was talking about until I got home and unpacked the set. There were a couple of pair of battery powered glasses that required syncing to the TV.
Waiting until it got dark for the best effect, we watched our first 3D home movie, Avatar. It was quite amazing, every bit as good as when we saw the movie in 3D at the theater. No wierdness, just pure enjoyment.
We aren't 3D geeks yet as there are very few movies we even wanted to see in 3D at the theater. Most of the time we go to the regular shows, so our collection of BlueRay 3D movies will remain small, reserved for the best of the best.
I would check out the newer active systems if you haven't already, because they are quite impressive.
I've seen some demos in the store, and wasn't overly impressed.
I've got a Panny ZT and an Oppo 103, both capable of decent active 3D. Unfortunately, my wife and I wear glasses, and those 3D glasses are less than joyous over top of them. I'm also hesitant due to the medical warnings.
Jack
I can see that wearing glasses might affect the enjoyment. My wife and I don't need to wear glasses to watch TV since we went from our 27" Trinitron to the 55" Samsung.
I will emphasize again, that the room needs to be fairly dark (well after sunset) for the 3D to shine. It's not very impressive when the room is well lit, like in a showroom. We'll agree to disagree on this one. We didn't buy our model TV for the 3D because I thought it would be a poor representation of what we would see in a theater, but I was wrong and glad that we got the technology. My wife and I highly recommend it, at least Samsung's version.
I see motion issues with all of these sets. I actually think the Sony is less annoying than the Samsung models. Plasmas are better in that respect.
I recently saw a pretty expensive OLED set. Colors are very good and sharpness is impressive. But, I saw plenty of motion problems, very large blocks where the screen is suppose to be one solid image, and even a kind of fine picture structure that is a little bit like old fashion scanning lines. This is another technology that is not quite ready for prime time.
I think all the 4K sets have significant motion artifacts when viewing upscaled 1080p content. Was that what you were watching? Not that there are many true 4K titles and players...
[Now I haven't seen all the 4K sets, but have the Sony/Samsung and I think it was LG.]
Pretty sure it was 4K source material, but before I make a purchase I'll look again. Not that I'd purchase a 4K set, but if this the best they have and motion artifacts are this obvious, it doesn't say much for Sony and the LED TVs.
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The ones I have seen look fairly decent, but I don't really know anything about their reliability, or how they compare with Panasonics. As long as Panasonic was making them, I really had little reason to consider them, but now things have changed...
Samsung's plasmas aren't bad. I saw some 4K TVs when I bought my Panny ZT. Personally, I think 4K is a waste unless you have an 80"+ TV. Otherwise, even if you find a true 4K source, to get the most out of the resolution, you'll have to sit a couple of feet from the set.
Jack
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