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In Reply to: RE: Plasmas are now cheap but this 4K Ultra HD is most assuredly not posted by Jazz Inmate on July 01, 2014 at 11:46:42
I am not going to blame this one on the consumer.
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Plasma consumption has been dropping. Plasma cannot support 4k resolution in popular sizes, however.
Stu, I hadn't actually considered the 4k thing until violinist3 mentioned it, but I think it's absolutely the nail in the coffin for plasma. Production costs vs LCD took its toll, but the final death blow is 4k. You don't have to spend much time at all considering the engineering challenges to see it.
"It is technically possible to produce 4K plasma panels, even 8K plasma panels, but “technically possible” is not the same as feasible. It is a major technological challenge to make plasma cells small enough to fit over 8 million pixels (3840x2160 aka 4K) into a 55 or 65 inch plasma panel. And even if Panasonic achieved it technically, EU’s strict energy regulations would make it close to impossible to market consumer 4K plasma TVs."
It was a dead-end technology: Only the OLEDs will save quality television, now.
I can live with that.
I would say that the LED/LCD market killed Plasma tv.
I think that is the overall correct answer too. LED/LCD would have eventually done-in plasma due to the economics of it, but 4k came along and forced things to a end much quicker.
But you did blame it on the consumer, didn't you? You are saying that consumers chose to buy LCD's rather than plasma because LCD uses less energy, yes? I do find it really hard to accept your premise that the price of electricity, which is a few pennies per kW hour, would even remotely influence the purchase decision of the average consumer when there is the issue of hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars difference in the initial purchase price of the unit.
Leave a plasma TV on 12 hours a day and tell me how much that is in electrical cost?? Then tell me how many coal-fired power plants can be shut down with that savings??
I've done the math and the answer for my Pio plasma is approximately 38˘ for 12 hours running at my current cost per Kw hour. I think you may have an agenda that has nothing to do with TV sets. I share your concern over coal fired power plants and would like to live to see their eradication, but to claim that energy use killed plasma is just wrong. Sorry.
Edits: 07/29/14
I am calculating $10-$20 dollars per month, which per day is trivial, but over an entire year it should be factored into the cost of ownership. Of course, I looked at the power consumption and quickly realized I don't even watch that much TV. However, the average consumer may keep it on a sizable portion of the day, which, of course, I think is ridiculous. In fact, I have a friend who must watch FOX News on two TVs in two rooms at the same time.
Then, some of us pay lower energy costs, but, YES, I do have an agenda: Do you think replacing incandescent light bulbs with LEDs make sense or is it, too, politically motivated?? Now refer back to the first paragraph ;-)
***Do you think replacing incandescent light bulbs with LEDs make sense or is it, too, politically motivated??
Yes, it was without any doubts a 100% politically motivated push.
No, I do not think replacing incans with LED is too politically motivated. I really have no issue with any of your positions on conservation, in fact I think we are very much of the same mind as far as that goes. The only thing I take issue with was your original statement about the death of plasma. Production costs of plasma vs LCD is what killed plasma. The average consumer, when it comes to TV's, is not willing to pay extra for a better picture quality. They just don't care, or they cannot afford the extra in the first place. Ether way, watching Faux News on two TV's at once is unhealthy in so many ways ... your friend may need an intervention.
Not intended to diss your post which may be true. Making a 4k plasma was too expensive so It was given up by the manufactures since 4k is the tv of the future
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