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It looks like I am moving away from the Samsung, and onto Sony,
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-XBR65X850B-65-Inch-Ultra-120Hz/dp/B00J58BEIK/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1409180791&sr=8-4&keywords=65+sony+4k#productDetails
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I suggest you visit avsforum.com, which has an extensive thread dedicated to the Sony XBR--X850B series. You might find some useful info there.
Here is a link:
Thank you for your suggestion, and I spent some time there. Some good information, for sure... some things I already knew, but more importantly I did not feel at home there. Most guys, all they do is put the "picture" of a totally black screen on their TV's and keep staring at it. No one seems to watch any movies, it is all about this aspect and that one.
A TV is much more than the black level, dimming and other things. This reminded me of audiophiles, listening to nothing but there "reference" and "demo" recordings.
I stopped frequenting that forum many years ago... I think I will stay in my shell... if I like what I see - that's all that matters to me.
But like I said - it is great that I followed your link, I DID get better understanding!
You're welcome. Glad to be of help. I hope you will be very happy with your new TV.
Yes, AVS is indeed populated by many videophiles. But that is what makes it useful. The members there are helping one another tweak their televisions to obtain the best picture possible to maximize the movie experience.
If you find yourself having any difficulties with your new Sony television, it is a good place to visit and ask questions. Most of the folks there are very friendly. I am not aware of a better video forum where you can converse with multiple owners of the same product you own.
Saw there three TV's of that line, including the 70" in a pretty dim room. It just so happened, that it had the menu screen ON, with black background, so I sat there, looking for "white lightnings" - but could not see any anomalies.
I then looked at two other sizes, and nothing there either.
Who knows, if I sat in a totally dark room, staring at black screen, and took a time exposure, it might have shown something there... Hey, I am sure the WILL be some non-uniformity to such a large screen, but for all I can tell, for any normal viewing it should not be an issue...
That's for the sample of three! :-)
Taking a time-exposure photograph to check screen uniformity--that is very funny. I am laughing while I type.
Assuming you're making a purchase at a store that allows returns and refunds, you do not have to worry, of course, if the TV is not to your liking when viewed at home. In late 2012 I returned an 82" Mitsubishi DLP that seemed fine in our local Best Buy store. But at home we noticed a huge amount of grain in the picture. We now use a final-generation Panasonic 65" plasma in our theater room. My wife says watching Blu-ray films on the TV is like looking through a clean window. She may be exaggerating a bit, but it does have a superb picture.
One of my favorite movies, "2001: A Space Odyssey," provides a good test for light bleed and black levels. Kubrick's shots of outer space can be quite revealing of deficiencies. Also, the scenes inside the caves at the beginning of the film are good for checking details in the dim lighting. The best part, though, is enjoying a terrific movie.
Yes, we bought it at Best Buy, so we can return it, but if it is anything like the store demo, there should not be any issues with it. Being a long time LP listener, I can listen through noises, and as soon as I get absorbed in the movie I don't pay attention to the minor screen imperfections. And the whole idea of watching a movie is to "flow" with it, not sit there with your sphincter tight, looking for trouble spots. Mind you - our current plasma has plenty of them, but they don't bother me. Nothing is ever perfect under the Moon... I am not even perfect myself! :-)
Thank you for reminding me of 2001, I will put it on my list.
This product has a great picture quality. The smart technology is cool. Yet the off-gassing from the electronic components cause physical symptoms that made the TV unsafe to use. Perhaps in time the off gassing chemicals will settle down. Sony representatives were unable to provide any information about this. I reasoned that the risk to my healthy, (muscle weakness and fatigue the day after use), outweighed the benefits of owning a great picture TV so I returned it. It's true that I maybe more sensitive that most people. I'm the canary in the coal mine. Many people might not notice the chemical off-gassing. Yet the effects to their health are very likely detrimental. I think Sony should go back to the drawing board and figure out how to produce and distribute a TV that causes no ill effects to anyone when used. Perhaps they can use new production techniques to outgas the components before they risk public health.
The reviews are stellar, except that one.
It's an extra grand, but HDMI isn't changing. I have 3D and tried it once.
Netflix is starting to do 4K and that would be cool if you have the bandwidth.
-Rod
Should I risk the muscle weakness for the sake of a happy wife? What's some sarin gas in exchange for vivid colors? Forget them the 3D glasses, here comes the gas mask!
Decisions...
Well, sometimes you need to take other peoples opinions with a grain of salt. I would think the parts inside this set are not different than the parts in their other sets, and not really different from the parts used by all other manufacturers. Whats so different about this one that makes it 'outgas' so badly?
We ended up buying a 70" Sony.
My goodness, Victor. 70"? Now that is home theater. Is the wife down with this too? Mine would whack me over the head if I brought home one that big. She's only recently stopped giving me the stink-eye over the 60" I dragged home last December. Enjoy.
She kept saying 60 would be too big for the room. I said - nonsense! She finally agreed.
I then proceeded to 65". She resisted a bit, but I showed her the charts, saying for our viewing distance even 65" was barely adequate.
So today we went to the store to buy that 65" model. By a pure happenstance the cash register in the main hall did not work, so we went to the home theater area, and there, very near the register, was that 70" model, playing loop demos.
At first I just pointed at it for her, without any plan... but very soon it became clear the hook was set. A few more casual passes and she told me she wanted THAT! :)
But seriously... we watch from 11', so 70" looks very natural from that distance.
It is incredible - when you walk between all those 80" and 85" TV's - they don't look all that big anymore.
What I discovered is although the TV may seem big at first, you quickly adjust to it. Get as big as you can afford!
... - that they did not buy a bigger one.
I will have to substantially re-arrange the pictures on the wall to fit this large box, but I have no doubt we will like it.
Hey, stop talking about me ... I went from a 27" CRT to a 50" flat screen and I'll bet the thing hadn't even warmed up yet before I was jonesing for an even bigger one. Then bought a 60" this past December and guess what? That's right. I would love to have a 70", but I'm going to sit on my hands and wait-out all this tech stuff around OLED and 4k before I make another move. I'm sure you and the wife will love it and hope you get many many hours of enjoyment from it.
...Bigger is Better. :-)
Unless that argument comes with a $10K check.
For now I am investigating that player gizmo. With the points from the TV purchase I can cover most of its cost.
They say it comes with 5 movies, but they will not tell you which ones! :-)
Spiderman... here I come!!!!!!
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