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In Reply to: RE: Okay, point by pioint.... posted by rlw on March 07, 2015 at 07:26:24

It's hardly audio snobbery. It's called intellectual honesty.

But you should notice of the 3 I quoted, all are associated with audio publications. Making such intellectually honest statements certainly does not help them sell magazines. I suspect that's why we only hear them admit such things about 1 or twice every 10 years.

But that's fine.

BTW, Valin did not say only 15% of the music, he said, "15% of the magic".
Potentially a big difference. Now he did not explain what he meant but I assume he meant 15% of the believability or 15% of those highly desirable or sought after characteristics that a playback system is unable to reproduce.

IMO, it's more like 35 - 40% of the music that's inaudible.

But just to confirm whether or not you understand, try this little experiment. Next time you're listening to some percussive instruments, listen for maracas or windchimes. Close your eyes and envision based on what you hear, whether or not these little instruments sound like they are 3ft in length or diameter or more like 3 inches.

Enjoy your system.

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An interesting experiemnt... - rlw 06:38:54 03/08/15 (5)
I will do as you request and let you know what I hear.

My point about the critics was that, as you say, if they only speak the truth every 10 years or so and yet engage in deceptive writing all the rest of the time, why on earth would I lend any credence to their thoughts?
-RW-
- RE: An interesting experiemnt... - stehno 14:25:32 03/08/15 (3)
  BTW, if you're into choral or opera music, like piano these are the most tortuous types of music to sufficiently play back at live performance volumes. The universal distortions embedded in every system will cause a break up and/or flattening out, again causing the listener to whince or the proverbial ear bleed.
  
  But again, if you attempt to listen for these things, you have to listen at volume levels approaching the live performance. Say in the 88 - 98db range. As nothing in the 60-65 db range will cause these issues.
  
  If you're struggling to find music to listen to, I might have a CD around here that I burned (redbook format) I could mail to you with some excellent examples of the fatigue/ear bleeding I'm trying to describe.
  - Yes, a CD vetted by you would be of interest! - rlw 10:49:19 03/11/15 (2)
    Please contact me offlist and I'll give you my mailing address. And thanks for thinking of me, I truly appreciate it!
    
    -RW-
    - RE: Yes, a CD vetted by you would be of interest! - stehno 17:34:45 03/19/15 (0)
      RW, I burned a CD for you last night.
      
      As mentioned in my email to you yesterday, I apologize as I never saw your email with your shipping address until yesterday.
      
      I should get it out to you in the next day or so and I'll email some notes to you as to what to look for, etc.
    - RE: Yes, a CD vetted by you would be of interest! - stehno 17:41:41 03/11/15 (0)
      I sent you an email.
- RE: An interesting experiemnt... - stehno 11:07:18 03/08/15 (0)
  Good point.
  I don't put a lot of stock into much of what they say either. But at least they know enough to speak the truth once or twice every 10 years as apposed to those other so-called experts who can't even speak the truth even once.
  It would be great to have a fully functional clock. But even a broken clock is right at least twice a day. As opposed to a clock in pieces with no hands on the dial. Right?
  An easier test actually for something to look for would be well-recorded piano piece that includes a lot of sharp notes high on the register and played back at volume levels approaching the live performance.
  They say piano is the most difficult instrument to accurately reproduce. There's are lot of truth in that statement. But I think a more accurate way of saying it is, "All instruments are near equal in difficulty to reproduce. But the piano may be the most easily discerned to illustrate how far short of the mark our playback systems really are.
  Perhaps the best way to look at it is, the piano is perhaps the most offense instrument when demonstrating how far short of the mark our PB systems really are.
  The sharp piano notes at reasonably high volumes should make a bee-line to your ear much like a laser beam causing fatique, whincing, or "bleeding of the ear".
  BTW, any music is tolerable to the ear at elevator music volumne levels.
  
  Edits: 03/08/15

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