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What suggestions do you have for plugging in 14 pieces of gear with only 1 two plug outlet nearby? I've heard a lot of bad things about line conditioners/surge protectors degrading the signal & I don't want to do that.Thanx!
MikeMy Speakers:
L & R Mains: Magnapan 1.6's
Center: Magnapan MGCC1
Rears: Magnapan MG-1 Improved'sMy system:
Amps - Proceed Amp-5
Preamp - Proceed AVP
DVD - Proceed PMDT
Laser Disc - Pioneer CLD-M90
VCR - Sony SLV-R1000
Turntable - Ariston RD11s w/Dynaco PAS 3 Preamp
Tuner - Yamaha CT-800
TV - RCA 32" (soon to be upgraded)
Digital Cable
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Richard Gray Power Company. But I would also look at the VansEvers web site. Call and discuss options with Mike; he doesn't try to sell, but it sounds like he could help. Read the review at Soundstage . Or, call an electrician and have more lines run.I didn't have as good luck with the Monster HTS-1000 as others apparently have. This stuff is very system sensitive/dependent.
-- Greg
Greg, I'm curious, did you try the HTS-1000 in stages? What I mean is, did you try just plugging your sources in and listen, then add the preamp and listen, then the power amp?The reason I ask is that I and most people, like me, don't like the power amp through the conditioner. Plugging in my preamp and MC amp was a mixed bag, but in the end I preferred them filtered. My CD player and TT were clearly better through the Monster, and that's what made me wonder if you'd tried different combinations.
Dan Bonhomme
Yes I did. I never tried the power amps through the 1000 because it wouldn't work and is not recommended. My preamp (passive attenuator) is passive so doesn't have a plug. My SSP is directly to the wall, so the only things I was running through it were my HDTV and my DVD. Using the DVD as a CDP, the sound didn't seem to change at all when using the filter. Using the VansEvers, there was a clear improvement. There are two transient switches on the VansEvers unit to taylor the sound further, and it's amazing how well they work.I've found this stuff to be very system sensitive so my advice is to try different combinations and use whatever works best. But there's little question the VansEvers equipment is much better than the Monster stuff, though, at a higher price.
-- Greg
Get a Monster HTS-2000 (12 outlets). Just don't plug your power amps into it. It'll improve everything else.Dan Bonhomme
What do you plug your power amps into than?
I plug my stereo power amp into a dedicated circuit, but it sounds better plugged into any wall outlet than it does plugged into a power conditioner. As an added feature, I ran the power amp ground to the HTS-2000 so the entire system has a common ground.
I plug my HT receiver into the HTS-2000's high-current outlets.
Dan Bonhomme
For a single amp, the solution would be as you described. As mentioned by floyd and the original poster, there are multiple amps to be connected (in this case, 5). I have a similar situation as I am currently using 4 monoblock amps with an Isobar surge protector. Short of several (3-4) dedicated outlets on a wall, what's a good solution?Michael
The original poster has a Proceed Amp 5, which has a single power cord for 5 channels. So he can plug everything into one duplex receptacle (one outlet for the power conditioner and one for the power amp).For your situation, what about long interconnects and place the monoblocks near the speakers (assuming there's other accessible receptacles)? OTOH, if you can afford all those monoblocks, maybe you should spring for an electrician! ;~)
Am I correct in thinking an Isobar is not a specialty audio product? My guess is it's compromising your system. I'd use a good extension cord before I'd use just any surge suppressor. IME computer style protectors even strangle low current gear.
Dan Bonhomme
> The original poster has a Proceed Amp 5, which has a single power cord for 5 channels. So he can plug everything into one duplex receptacle (one outlet for the power conditioner and one for the power amp). <Yikes! When I read his post that said he had 14 pieces of gear to plug in, I couldn't come up with that total with his list. I saw the word "Amps" followed by "Proceed Amp-5". I assumed that he was talking about 5 separate amps. I wonder if my banishment back to AR is in order?
> I'd use a good extension cord before I'd use just any surge suppressor. <
Actually, I have been looking for a power strip/box that does not contain surge protection to use for the monoblocks, something with quality outlets.
Michael
Sorry! I didn't include various other gear on my rack ie. video games, amps for other rooms, et cetera.The Wiremold strip with the dedicated circuit idea posted by JE seems like a good idea.
Thanx!
Mike
> > The Wiremold strip with the dedicated circuit idea posted by JE seems like a good idea. < <It sounds like an excellent idea for power amps, but it won't improve the sound on the rest of your equipment. I've become a firm believer in the benefits of power conditioning for low current devices. My advice is to give the HTS-2000 a demo. If you don't like it you can return it. I can't lend you mine. I NEED it.
Dan Bonhomme
Try the Naim USA site. They suggest a Wiremold 9-outlet strip with 14-gauge cord, that has no on-off switch, LEDs, circuit breaker...or anything else for that matter. Just what they claim are hospital-grade outlets that grip the prongs tightly. You'd have to order through Naim dealer, and the thing runs around $55. Pricey, but it works.
> > I wonder if my banishment back to AR is in order? < <Hell no Michael, we'll keep you. You really have to work hard at it to earn banishment around here. Some of the AR regulars have qualified pretty quickly though.
> > Actually, I have been looking for a power strip/box that does not contain surge protection to use for the monoblocks, something with quality outlets. < <Good idea. I'd try an electrical supply store for a heavy duty industrial-size power bar. Buy one with a real tight grip on the plug. Do it now, your amps are starving for current!
Dan Bonhomme
Any idea on how it compares to the Panamax 1500?Mike
I don't know anything about the Panamax. I selected the HTS-2000 because:
- It was designed by someone competent
- Robert Harley gave it a rave review
- The "systems" issue of TAS featured it in some pricey setups
- It had good reviews at AA
- There are sufficient outlets for my combined stereo/AV system
- A connection for cable TV eliminates the omnipresent hum
- Three different levels of conditioning allow for various types of gear
- It was on sale for $169 at Audio AdvisorI recommend the HTS-2000 highly. It was unbelievable bang for the buck.
Dan Bonhomme
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