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High-End DVD players, Toshiba 9200 vs. Arcam DV-88 ??

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I am considering a purchase of either one of these, I expect the Arcam will do music better and while this is important, the unit is not being purchased primarily for music playback. I note that the Toshiba weighs considerably more, and I often associate this with higher quality, ie heavier power supplies, shielding, etc., I note also that Toshiba has been in the "video" arena for some time while this is Arcams first DVD offering. Can anyone who may have compared these two, comment out of experience?.

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I wouldn't buy the Arcam KeithR 19:37:48 04/04/01 (0)
No progressive scan for 1500. I will pass thank you, even though it is upgradable. I would rather get the Denon 2800 which is only 800, and has every video mode known to man on it.
Just my 2 cents
Re: High-End DVD players, Toshiba 9200 vs. Arcam DV-88 ?? audioguy 23:04:00 03/29/01 (5)
The Arcam is a great player, I looked at it because I've had the Arcam MCD for a few years and IMHO it's one of the best multidisc players out there. I use the digital out and use it as a transport to my AVP. Arcam makes great equipment at that price point and it will keep you out of the Japanese mass market crap. Though I wouldn't consider both Pioneer Elite and Sony ES crap. I went with the Proceed PMDT because both my amp and processor are Proceed. But I don't think there was a $5000 difference in the picture or sound over the Arcam.
- Re: High-End DVD players, Toshiba 9200 vs. Arcam DV-88 ?? audioman 23:11:29 03/29/01 (4)
  Thanks for your input. Would it then be your standpoint that the DV-88 is a sensible choice for a guy wanting a clean picture and competant cd music sound without a second mortgage on his home?!
  Does the Arcam DV-88 have a considerably better picture quality as well over the say, $300.00 DVD player arena?....If so, what did you find particularly "outstanding" about it?
  sorry for all the return fire questions, but I need all the input I can as I am not a video-guru.....yet....
  audioman
  - Re: High-End DVD players, Toshiba 9200 vs. Arcam DV-88 ?? audioguy 23:42:00 03/29/01 (3)
    Yes, I believe the DV-88 would give you alot more than competent sound and a clean picture. I was replacing a Pioneer Elite DV-37 when I auditioned these players. I thought the Arcam delivered a truer picture, better blacks, better saturations, the whites were crisper. The progressive scan was going to be an option upgrade at the time. The sound on the DV-88 was better than the DV-37 but the difference in the soundstage and the clarity on the PMDT was just startling. Talk to David at Peachtree Acoustics about the Arcam, he's in Mount Pleasant, SC 843-881-2387
    - You're exaggerating... Rich 11:01:02 03/30/01 (2)
      I've viewed many players (Toshiba 3006, Toshiba 5109, Toshiba 6200, Denon DVD-3000, Pioneer DV-09, Sony DVP-S7000) via my front projection setup and 3 rear projection sets. The differences in picture quality are marginal. Some of the players have more artifacts than others (especially the non-progressive units), but most people wouldn't even notice this. All are plenty enjoyable to watch.
      - Re: You're exaggerating... kuma 12:51:12 03/30/01 (1)
        
        In Reply to: You're exaggerating... posted by Rich on March 30, 2001 at 11:01:02:
        
        rich,
        sounds like you have had a lot of experience with DVD players.
        have you had any first-hand experience with EAD's Theatrevision P ?
        
        No, sorry (nt) Rich 18:10:58 03/30/01 (0)
        
        In Reply to: Re: You're exaggerating... posted by kuma on March 30, 2001 at 12:51:12:
A comment on Toshiba John C. - Aussie 19:57:32 03/29/01 (0)
Until now I've been very satisfied with our earlier model Toshiba DVD player (SD-K310A) but it broke down the other week after 18 months intermittent use (on video only). The part that has gone is a small coil on the motherboard, put there to filter out hash. However there is no part number for it and the techo is not optimistic Toshiba will come through with it. The usual practice with most brands seems to be to junk the whole board and replace it - OK if the unit is still under guarantee but prohibitive otherwise.
Now the player is apparently operating again but I await with interest to see how cooperative Toshiba will be about supplying this part.
Apart from the above the Toshiba gives a brilliant picture on all formats (PAL or NTSC) via component out. I cannot comment on the audio as the Theta data III is used for CDs.
John
No experience with the Toshiba, but it's a NO BRAINER. . . Hantra 18:30:11 03/29/01 (8)
The Arcam is the only choice between a mass market Jap unit, and a fine piece of Arcam engineering. They engineered this player from the ground up, and it has gotten NOTHING but outstanding accolades.
The Toshiba may be a good unit, but it can't be as good as the Arcam. The fact that it is heavier does not mean it is better quality. The Arcam is also fully upgradeable. I feel much better about Arcam.
The Jap's idea of quality control is to load a container full of DVD Players, and take one off to make sure the power light comes on. hehe
B
- Re: No experience with the Toshiba, but it's a NO BRAINER. . . kotches 19:29:06 03/29/01 (7)
  Well, this is certainly brilliant deductive reasoning.
  You've never seen the particular DVD player in question, and you already know everything about it. That's pretty amazing if you ask me.
  This is the same mentality that says Sony can't make any High End products, yet few will argue that the SCD-1 and to a slightly lesser extent, the SCD-777ES are superb products.
  This board is much better than Audio Review usually, this however is not one of those times.
  Regards,
  - Re: No experience with the Toshiba, but it's a NO BRAINER. /// OK, please verify. . audioman 21:47:42 03/29/01 (6)
    kotches: I can appreciate your comments here.
    I would ask you, are you simply defending the position that Sony, etc. can build a fine product, or are you making this comment out of experience with both the Arcam and a Sony equivilant?. Please don't take this the wrong way, I am sincerely interested in your point of view. The other posters comments where likely substantiated on his own experience, or perhaps he just loves the Arcam cause he's got one!...that's fine, but can you perhaps offer an alternative rebuttal based on your experience with a Japanese product you feel to be as good or better...Again, I am not being smart here, I sincerely appreciate your input, it's people like yourself I can learn from
    - Re: No experience with the Toshiba, but it's a NO BRAINER. /// OK, please verify. . kotches 23:32:50 03/29/01 (5)
      Audioman:
      My point was the idiocy of the post in question. It's fine to discuss a product you have experience with, but Hanta has no experience whatsoever with the Toshiba 9200 and still disregards it.
      There is no question that the Arcam DV88 is an awfully good player. Having heard it, and the Toshiba 9200, I can tell you that the Toshiba (and its variants such as the Onkyo DV-S939) are also awfully good.
      Again we're back to the totally indefensible statement that was made by Hanta.
      Regards,
      - You are right. . . Hantra 09:59:21 03/30/01 (4)
        
        In Reply to: Re: No experience with the Toshiba, but it's a NO BRAINER. /// OK, please verify. . posted by kotches on March 29, 2001 at 23:32:50:
        
        That was an indefensible statement. But I DID preface it with that disclaimer. You really shouldn't take things so seriously. I have an alleigance to Arcam, and I'd just prefer to buy Arcam over a brand that I can find at my local WAL-MART.
        Also, I really entertain myself much of the time with posts like that, and they are not meant to be taken so seriously. I will try to make a disclaimer with Giant Crayon Font next time, so you can more clearly understand that.
        L8r Krotches,
        B
        
        Re: You are right. . . kotches 16:56:53 03/30/01 (1)
        
        In Reply to: You are right. . . posted by Hantra on March 30, 2001 at 09:59:21:
        
        Hantra,
        I appreciate that you have brand prejudice. By the same token, you should bad mouth SACD players from Sony and Sharp since they also have mainstream products targetted at average consumers.
        Of course the sheer idiocy of the statement is only confirmed by your admissions.
        Post on, preferably at Audio Review, where commentary like this ond abounds.
        Regards,
        
        <sniff, sniff. . . .> Hantra 17:02:37 03/30/01 (0)
        
        In Reply to: Re: You are right. . . posted by kotches on March 30, 2001 at 16:56:53:
        
        Whiner. . .
        
        B
        
        I wouldn't accept an... Rich 10:53:08 03/30/01 (1)
        
        In Reply to: You are right. . . posted by Hantra on March 30, 2001 at 09:59:21:
        
        Arcam product if IT WAS GIVEN TO ME!!! Right into the trash pile it would go, or maybe I'd sell it at www.junk.com!
        Of course I have no experience with Arcam products, but that didn't stop you, did it?
        
        See . . This is what I am talking about. . . Hantra 10:56:02 03/30/01 (0)
        
        In Reply to: I wouldn't accept an... posted by Rich on March 30, 2001 at 10:53:08:
        
        This is all so entertaining. And some lamers just play right into it. heh. .
        B

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