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So what did you think?
I liked what they did for the most part.
I liked that they (kind of) brought Walt back from the edge of truly becoming evil.
On a scale of 1 to 10 - I figure it was about a 9.
And did you like what happened to Walt and Jesse?
Agree or disagree with their fates?
(I think Walt's fate was sealed, (and I agree with the ending), but Jesse's was up in the air, and I could have gone either way with him and been okay with it.)
How would you rate this TV series?
I would put it at the top of the heap, along with "The Prisoner" and "I, Claudius", myself.
I am going to miss it.
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Anybody have any recommendations for other series to watch?
My wife wants to watch Dexter next.
I've heard it was good, but the ending season was not the best though.#
Follow Ups:
After the death of Gus Fring ... it all went down hill for me. Not that I was fan boy of that character ... it was just a mile marker. It's like the writers reached creative burn out ... now what?Season 5 as well as the season finale were anti climatic to me ... conventional and totally predictable.
If you understand, things are just as they are; if you do not understand, things are just as they are.
--Zen Proverb
Edits: 10/08/13
Buried, Rabid Dog, Ozymondais (going from memory here) in the last half of season 5 were mesmerizing. The episode following Hank's discovery of the book didn't exactly suck either. Hank damn near dominated Season V, part II.
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That doesn't make it bad. I could predict Broadchurch but it still was good tv.
BB was one of the better shows on tv possibly ever. The fact that VG and his writers picked a course which more or less logically followed from the premise is not a problem. The show stayed internally consistent.
The OP's bitching about the fact that the show didn't take the time to show Walter White's drive from NH to NM is one of the most petty gripes I can think of. That certainly isn't in the league of say Bruce Wayne's travel across the world in 10 seconds in TDKR. Maybe on VG's extended bluray disc they can have 20 hours of driving with Heisenberg. The soundtrack will be the Marty Robbins' tape of Feleena (from El Paso) played over and over again.
The last three shows: Ozymandias, Granite State and Felina were really done very nicely. I actually thought that Granite State was the best of the three. The final episode that isn't a complete pander to the audience (like MASH) is going to have problems because of the lack of permutations in the plot unless you like the Sopranos complete ambiguity and failure to close the story for the audience.
The other thing is that you have this show that is not afraid to make the consequences occur whether it be killing major or minor characters or what have you. And they ended the show on a high note and it didn't get stupid unlike Homeland is doing (by failing after the first season to get rid of Damian Lewis and his family) or the debacle that was Dexter's final season.
So I'm bothered by the complaints about this show when it is heads and tails above other shows. If it just didn't match the expectations of the OP who wanted something more (please tell us your better grand scheme of things!) fine. The praise should be significantly louder than the nitpicking.
We'll you like what you like ...I always thought of the character Hank as a total duffus.
Gus made a fool out of him and his entire department.
Where did he figure the money for his rehab was coming from? Ever check the price of in home quality health care?
He got himself and his partner killed because the arrogant shit was trying to cowboy everything on his own. Where was his backup for major bust of dangerous criminal?
Also ... after capturing Walt ... he takes precious time to call his wife and brag about it! Why not call the department and let them know where the hell you are.
Sometimes people are good at one thing and terrible at something else. The character in "Flight" played by Denzel Washington comes to mind. He was a great pilot but was also a self destructive drug addict.
Hank was good at some things but sucked at others.
If you understand, things are just as they are; if you do not understand, things are just as they are.
--Zen Proverb
Edits: 10/04/13
Hank was the singular most central character after Walt, moreso than Jesse and Saul put together in Season V, Part II. If you think not you might want to watch the second half again.
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I read a few Sherlock Holmes books lately and like them but his deductions got old, a neat trick to be so observant but a one trick pony all the same.
I feel the same way about Walt outsmarting the others it was just more of the same, it was neat to be so smart but it got old for me.
Two recent series that comes close are Homeland and The Killing. Both have complex characters that aren't easily labeled 'hero' or 'villain' but do evolve throughout the show. Of course it's essential to watch from the beginning for each. The Killing is available on Netflix instant (at least seasons 1 and 2, not sure about 3). I don't know the availability of Homeland but it's worth buying either on disc or download.
The Newsroom is a pretty good series that has it's ups/downs but the cast is so good I overlook it's often sappy moments. American Horror Story is brutal and difficult to watch, but gripping. There's little in the way of visible brutality...it's just so dark and psychologically trying.
Perhaps I will try out the second and now the third season.
I did not much like Homeland.
Thanks for the recommendations though.
I actually liked Season 2 better than Season 1, and I loved Season 1. Season 3, Coven, coming very soon.
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I could not watch it, though I really liked it. To me it was just
another example of tawdry filming using bad lighting and hasty filmwork
to cover up the lack of detail. Regards,
J.R.
with great payoff. I think the bad lighting was the director's choice. As for hasty film making, as in putting a filming schedule ahead of quality? Nope. JMHO, $.02, and the rest of the usual disclaimers.....
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She's not taking her Lithium again. The kid is sexting. Yawn. Regards,
J.R.
I'll be surprised if it's up to season 1 quality or even season 2. Talk about yawn, Dana and her attempted suicide, double yawn. Her interaction with her dad in season 1 was interesting and added to the suspense. If there's gonna be a subplot devoted to her mental issues this season, it'll be fast forward time.
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I mean, fuck that girly shit. I want more detail in the body counts.
Regards,
J.R.
too unbelievable for me but fun to watch!
I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt so far; It's earned it.
In fact, I'll bet the next episode is a hummer, maybe set in the Middle
East. Anything with Mandel Patinkin is bound to be superlative. Regards,
J.R.
"Deus ex Machina" as pocket pussy. Verisimilitude out the window like
a used condom. Robert Forster was great, but even he could not save
the ridiculous fugitive schtick. Abysmally stupid ending for the best
show ever on TV. Vince fucked up. Too bad he did not consult me.
Regards,
J.R.
With modern criminology WW would have been caught early on.Notice how there is no fingerprint evidence.
There has got to be a film out there with absolutely no holes in the story.I can't remember any.
. . . to a junior assistant who pointed out a logic flaw in one of Hitchcock's films, "Young man, don't be droll!".
nt
"To Do Is To Be" Socrates
"To Be Is To Do" Plato
"Do Be Do Do Be Do" Sinatra
(stolen from Thank You For Smoking), if a line or two of unaired dialog could reasonably explain the apparent inconsistency, then it's OK. Yer a smart guy, come up with those lines for us :)I had similar misgivings about how Walt knew exactly where to park his car at the meth facility so his machine gun could mow down the bad guys inside thgeir "office". Also, how he would know there would be a large window on the side of that particular building and not a cinder black wall, yada yada yada. Again, perhaps he reconnoitered(SP??) the place and that scene ended up on the editing floor or was never shot......
Other than a couple of inconsistencies like those, I think Vince did a credible job of bringing the series to a satisfactory close, but not in nearly the best episode of the season.
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Whatever roads he would have chosen would have been to no avail. Two
dead DEA agents. They would have been on him faster than a smirk on
Ted Cruz's face. The end as it spun out was not feasible. Regards,
J.R.
so no one could see it. When he and Jesse were about to die in the desert in season 1(2?), he got a dead RV started with a makeshift battery made from nickels, dimes, washers, and screws!! He Sirley had a driver's license, one would think Forster provided him immaculate credentials.
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Fake ID is a myth. And no fugitive would put himself is such an idiotic
position. The ole cabin in the woods: how trite. The whole Forster
trip was unrealistic nonsense. That takes nothing from Forster; he
played, as always, the role perfectly. Do you think Jeffrey will die in
the first or second episode of the next run for Game of Thrones?
Regards,
J.R.
an excruciatingly slow and horrifically painful death that consumes most of an episode.
We're re-watching Breaking Bad dvr'd from AMC's marathon. One could pick quite a few plot points and blow them up. The overall story so overwhelms it'd be nitpicking.
Walt got back from New Hampshire, yer just gonna have to deal with it. Perhaps he hung onto the transmission of a minivan a la Max Cady? With $9mm at his disposal I'm sure a new identity, one at least good enuf to get him on a freekin Greyhound, would have been feasible. Hell, Carrie got Brody a new one. Cabin in the woods, tract home in Arizona, what's it matter? He got out of Dodge.
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Let me just say that Jack Gleeson is going to get to show us his chops.
And you're right about BB: to haggle over plot points would be nitpicking.
My problem is with setting and verisimilitude: with the reality of the
show in other words. I've read over a dozen articles in the last week
by writers, actors, and persons associated with BB: they all claimed
loud and clear that reality was the governing dynamic in the making of
BB. I think they drastically failed their dynamic in this last episode.
Just a few examples: Living in an isolated house with no outhouse in the
middle of nowhere is not hiding; it's more like advertising your presence.
Secret compartment in a propane truck with out of state plates. Please.
And finally, these days every cop on the beat has acess to a computer
terminal and can check ID. Even for a million dollars you could not find
a driver's license. Nobody could except a government sanctioned agent.
For a show so concerned with reality, they blew it big time at the end,
though it's good to see that someone in addition to Tarantino appreciates
Robert Forster. Regards,
J.R.
Next time you're in Austin you'll want to eat at Sway:
But yeah, given that he was probably on the DEA's and FBI's list of most wanted, that they might have figured out that a stolen car in NH, which was the last known location of WW, just might be connected. But then again, if nobody reported it for a couple of days, he might have gotten away with it before the APB went out to every state.
I certainly wouldn't let that minor inconsistency ruin the end of a great show like BB for you.
He was being busted at a remote location in the wilds of NH. The cops
were there moments after he abandoned his drink. Him getting away was a
comic book fairytale at best. My dead grandmother could have caught
him. Major flaw, not a minor inconsistency. Fear not, though, I'm still
a fan. Regards,
J.R.
I live up in the Santa Cruz mountains, between San Jose and Santa Cruz, California. (Not quite as remote as NH, but definitely not a city or even suburbia.)
Now, there is this one deputy sheriff, (a female deputy I will point out and from now on I will refer to as Deputy Fife), who actually caught a murderer.
(Caught is a generous term, as she merely saw this guy walking down one of the side roads up near my house. And no, the guy was not exactly as smart as Walt - he more like Skinny Pete, Jesse's friend.)
Coincidentally the road looked a lot like the road that Walt's hideaway was on actually.)
Anyway, Deputy Fife had her gun drawn and was going to put the handcuffs on this guy. But then this guy saw the determined look in her eyes, much like the look her cousin Barney Fife had, he just smiled, turned around and ran away. She, in Fife like fashion, yelled "Stop!". Being a criminal, he did not comply.
Amazing, huh?! What a criminal mastermind, he was for not stopping! Anyway, she stood there for a bit, wondering what to do, when she finally decided that maybe, perhaps, she should call this in, so that someone, (Sheriff Andy perhaps?), could come out and find him, you know, what with him being a murderer in all.
So, when the real police came, they sealed all the roads in the area, for the next several hours, (preventing us from getting home until after dark). They had not caught him, but they eventually had to let the dozens of us homeowners in the area go home. Needless to say, I was not thrilled going into a house in the dark, although once I was in, you can bet your butt I went straight to the gun locker, got and loaded my handgun, and then searched my house. Thankfully, no murderer!
Anyway, the next day, the real police finally caught this guy. (How did he get away you ask?! Well, he was a criminal mastermind, so he climbed a tree. He stayed up in the tree all night.) Eventually he got cold enough, thirsty enough or hungry enough to climb down, THE NEXT DAY, and they finally caught walking down the road again.
(Again, not too smart! Had he come done at midnight and started walking he would easily have made it to the nearest town, a few miles away, and he'd haven gotten away.)
So, don't bother to tell me the police are that efficient. If it weren't that they were tracking a complete idiot, they never would have caught him. (And if Barney Fife had been the one to find him the next day, I'm sure he would have merely relieved her of her sidearm, and taken her vehicle.)
Walt was a federal fugitive with a warrant out dealing with two missing
and probably dead DEA agents. The road out would have been blocked by
professionals and a real SWAT team would have been brought in with dogs.
It was a stupid setup with a stupid resolution. What, did he astrally
project maybe to New Mexico; many claim they have. What kind of ID did
he have, like a driver's license? A silly and totally unrealistic end,
without a speck of verisimilitude. I expected better. Regards,
J.R.
I guess you put in the same bin the M60 machine gun, firing for minutes, non-stop, with no ammo belt, apparently making bullets out of thin air, as it went... in process hitting every intended target without even looking.
Geez... I wish our soldiers could shoot this well! :)
But then... "I certainly wouldn't let that minor inconsistency ruin the end of a great show..." :)
it could have gone in so many directions and been botched.
I liked that Walt was inspired by seeing his former partner's philanthropy as a way to achieve his goal of financially taking care of his family, which got his wheels spinning.
I liked the humour with Jesse's old sidekicks in the car, and the laser pointers.
I liked the beam between Walt and Skyler in that one scene.
I loved the snap of Todd's neck.
Always knew that Stevia crap isn't good for you.
Mr. White and Jesse? Gooooood stuff!
I loved that Walt dies (been waiting for that a LONG time) and found it interesting that they were able to partially redeem one of the most ego driven and despicable characters I've ever seen. I actually felt sorry for him for around 10 seconds.
I thought they kept the tension at a good level straight through the last episode.
It was satisfying and well done - most all the bad guys got what they deserved (as pointed out)!
I would imagine that Skyler eventually dies of lung cancer.
Overall I'd rate the series 8/10 including an extra point for using Robert Forster in the final to last episode.
The first three seasons of Dexter are very good and then it kind of peter's out though some episodes are still worthy and quite good. Just becomes inconsistent.
Game of Thrones is quite engrossing as are Boardwalk Empire, Downton Abbey, Homeland, Justified, and a few others. Pretty much all the usual suspects from the past few years have something entertaining to offer on a fairly intelligent level, just depends on your cup of chamomile. Check the archives here, there are some good discussions. I really think Walking Dead is grossly overrated.
We've been rewatching The Soprano's the past several weeks and I have to say it is even MORE enjoyable the second time around.
One of the best comedies ever, amongst it's other fine attributes!
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" - Michael McClure
...is not limited to one side of the pond.
What a super-mediocre pile of sweetened horse shit!
...to total garbage.
When we saw Pulp Fiction back in the day, we looked forward to more like that from QT.
I hope VG can do it again.
Also, I loved that Walt lunged at Jesse to get him out of the line of fire, while taking one his own self. I agree with an earlier poster that there should have been a more believable way to get Jesse into the room with Walt. Small complaint tho. I can hardly imagine Sunday nights without Breaking Bad 12 weeks a year.
Elliot, if you're going to go that way, you'll need a bigger knife!
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frankly the entire season (and the last few) have been a bit boring, it just seemed to be the same formula over and over.
SPOILERS!!!
I knew Walt would rescue Jessy and somehow get money to his family and get final closure with Skylar. The way Walt outsmarted the uncle to get Jessy in the room was unbelievable to me - the uncle was smarter than that imo.
I still liked it but it is nowhere near "the best show ever" like some say
Better than the Dexter finale.
-Wendell
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IMHO, it is not going to be the replacement for Breaking Bad that you were hoping for. (I've been watching it since it started, as my 13 y.o. daughter loves it, and she reads the comic books as well.) It is just okay. Sometimes the characters just seem dumb, which annoys me to no end.
I do kind of like that they don't mind killing off the main characters, but sometimes they seem to kill off the wrong ones. (I liked Dale, but I don't much like the Sheriff's kid - he should have been killed off.)
***Now the problem is finding another show that's as good as BB.
Why not just watch some good films?
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I binged on The Killing and The Spiral.
Not a binge like you had a binge, but a binge nonetheless.
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So what did you think?I liked what they did for the most part.
I liked that they (kind of) brought Walt back from the edge of truly becoming evil.On a scale of 1 to 10 - I figure it was about a 9.
And did you like what happened to Walt and Jesse?
Agree or disagree with their fates?
(I think Walt's fate was sealed, (and I agree with the ending), but Jesse's was up in the air, and I could have gone either way with him and been okay with it.)
How would you rate this TV series?I would put it at the top of the heap, along with "The Prisoner" and "I, Claudius", myself.
I am going to miss it.
\unquoteHeck I watched it for the first time ever. I have never watched any installments of 'Breaking Bad' ever......except for Sunday while AMC was having a 'Breaking Bad' marathon. So just for kicks and out of boredom I kept AMC on throughout the day and paid minimal attention to various parts of some of the episodes being played out. And for me this was a good primer to watch the series finale. I guess I had enough context for the ending to make sense.
fwiw, I thought it, the finale, was good drama.
re: Walt and his attempts at reaching for some redemption. It was apparent that there could be no redemption for what he'd done. But he did tie up some major loose ends and create an exit for himself that was on his own terms. But there is no redemption for Walt.Without answering your entire poll I will say that I know now that I've missed out on a good TV series by not having watched any episodes 'til yesterday.
Will I watch some of the re-runs? Probably not, unless I trip over a dvd set of all 5 seasons, say a few years from now when there is nothing else that seems worth my vegetative gazing.
-Steve
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Wasn't that exciting. Haven't seen any of it previously, we didn't find anything about the previews that made us want to watch it. So I guess I'd rate it a 0 out of 10? :)
Yeah, okay I can see why you'd only watch 12 seconds of it before tuning out.
But then again, the same would be said of ANY television series finale if you'd never seen a minute of the preceding five years worth of episodes.
So my question to you is: Why did you even bother to turn it on, knowing that you'd know absolutely nothing about the show, the characters or the plot? Seems odd that you'd turn it on in the first place.
(And to give it a rating of 0 out of 10 seems even more odd since you have nothing to base it on other than the aforementioned 12 seconds that you watched it.)
Obviously the smiley face didn't get your attention. Wife was flipping, she had it on there for a few seconds and turned it. But in all honesty I don't get/like many/most of the off-the-wall shows nowadays (Breaking Bad, Mad Men, etc.).
I just thought it was funny that you turned it on for 12 seconds and then turned it off. (You originally did not mention that you, (or your wife in this case), was merely channel surfing.) I thought you had heard about it, (it was pretty widely hyped, for better or for worse), and that you thought you'd turn it on to see what all the fuss was about, but only watched 12 seconds of it before moving on.
And yeah, I am not too much into TV series either, (in fact this is the first non-SF drama series I've watched in a long time). My wife, on the other hand, watches all the drama TV shows in the family. I prefer situation comedies, like Big Bang Theory. Although I did like Monk a lot, but that show blurred the line between drama and comedy, IMHO.)
Actually that was pretty much what my wife did. She wasn't flipping so much as killing a commercial break when I was away answering an email. I came back into the room "what's this?" "Breaking Bad, was wondering what all the fuss was about, this is the final episode" and then she flipped it back to whatever we were watching.
I've never heard of Monk, strange. BBT hasn't caught my attention. But then I'll admit we tend to watch mostly reality shows (Survivor, Amazing Race, and such, NOT shows such as Jersey Shore or the like), Seinfeld re-runs, HGTV, real crime shows (Murder Mysteries etc.)...
Really? Monk is (was) one of my favorite shows.
It stars Tony Shalaub as "the defective detective", (as he is affectionitely called). He has many phobias, such as heights, germs, dirt, milk. (Yes, I said milk.) ;-)
Anyway, he is very similar to Sherlock Holmes in as that he can solve crimes that baffle the police. But he is so emotionally damaged, (he lost his wife in a car bombing), that he needs an assistant, (nearly a nurse), to help him out. He, (and his family) is similar to Robert Crumb and his family, (which if you saw the movie "Crumb", means lots of weird situations).
Highly recommended.
As far as reality shows, I've only ever watched one, (King of the Nerds), which was okay, but I doubt I will watch the next season. My wife has watched a few, but they just don't interest me in the slightest.
You may be able to get full 2 out of 10 out of him!
Waterboarding works well too.
;-)
I agree with take on the show, probably the best show written for TV IMO. I couldn't get into Dexter but my friend recommended a series called "The Bridge" on FX I haven't seen it yet but I will check it out soon.
"To Do Is To Be" Socrates
"To Be Is To Do" Plato
"Do Be Do Do Be Do" Sinatra
I'm thinking it might even shape up further on down the road.
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" - Michael McClure
nt
"To Do Is To Be" Socrates
"To Be Is To Do" Plato
"Do Be Do Do Be Do" Sinatra
It wrapped up all the loose ends so efficiently, it could have been done in half an hour. I was annoyed by all the commercials (my preferred way to watch TV shows is on Netflix or Bluray).
The entire final season was really outstanding. I found the penultimate episode a bit too sad, but excellent still. The finale was pretty much everything it should have been. Earlier in the season, I imagined some final showdown between Walt and Hank.
I was happy to see Jesse go free and the neo-Nazis get their comeuppance.
No, I did not watch it last night... will get it on On Demand.I think it is an awfully bad show from nearly every perspective. I thought it had some hope around Seasons 2 and 3, but it became ridiculously bad since then. Bad writing, bad acting, pretty much everything bad, except maybe a few OK spots with Jesse and a few great, well delivered, one-liners by Saul ("But deep down he loves me!")
Good riddance.
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the ones with Bryan Cranston, Aaron Paul, Anna Gunn and, oh... say Giancarlo Esposito in them.
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" - Michael McClure
...the early seasons had some hope. The rest of the crew should really be flipping burgers.
Ratings are kind of silly unless people give their views of what a 10 show is - maybe what an 8 a 6 a 5 and zero is.Let me guess - nothing from America will get a 10 - it has to be Russian or French correct? If it is in the English Language it will be bad.
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Your post is just dumb.
...to (only one on the planet) think it was a shit show.
nothing is more boring than the truth - bukowski
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It was so pathetic they had to keep repeating it, as it had no legs on its own.
Nothing ambiguous about that guy, sorry.
That's an unusual take on it. To its many fans (myself included), it has superb, creative writing and excellent acting. It's certainly filmed very well. We all have our own preferences. Yours seem to be far from the norm (which I don't necessarily consider a good or bad thing).
Relative to the typical TV drama, it's certainly high quality. It's easy to nitpick or be hypercritical about any creative effort. I used to be consistently disappointed with Oscar winners and movies that got rave reviews because I viewed them with a more critical lens.
You got that right bub. Some of the best thought out writing ever. Rarely, if ever, is the viewer left wondering, why the F did he/she do THAT??????
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That's why so many rich celebrity and famous people - If I were the only audience there would be NONE!
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BTW, to sweeten the bitter pill a bit, even the truly good shows, like The Killing, also can lose their ways... its last season was painful to watch... but at least they got two good ones.
With BB its creators tried to outsmart everyone, and they fell flat on their faces.
I didn't think they tried to outsmart everyone, but to just make an intelligent (obviously opinions vary on this!) and interesting program. Creator Vince Gilligan seems like a pretty down to earth guy with a good sense of humor. I found it to be one of the most riveting and entertaining TV dramas ever.I'm not familiar with The Killing; I'll have to look into it.
A show I'm enjoying now is the Netflix original series "House of Cards".
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Of course it is based on the original British series, and brings arguably too much of a distinct American flavor to it, but if taken on its own merit, it is a good show.
What do you think of the Twilight Zone? I consider that to be the best American one. I can't compare to ones from other lands.
Sorry, I don't watch many TV shows.
That's like 40 to 50 hours of watching breaking bad.
Even though the good parts were a bit rare (per show),they sure spiced it up. Some parts are funny. I'm only through season 2 episode 4 but watch two a nite on NF.I tried watching a few other series but they weren't as good....like Under the bubble, S.H.E.I.L.D.,Sleepy Hollow, The Killer (not too bad),and The Blacklist (I'm trying to like it but who knows).
I kind of like character development even if it's a bit quirky-funny.
But I have to say, watching the last season was a chore, I was just curious how they would end it all, as it was so miserable, static and unilvolving.
I especially hated the performances of the main guy, his wife, his son (with passion), and her sister. Hank was sorta OK for a while - I like guys with guns, and we carried Glock 22, one of my favorites. But he too lost his charm first gradually, then completely, as he watched the Walt's tape - low point of his career.
Perhaps one bright spot was the two yahoos, Jesse's friends.
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