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Blade Runner incredible in HD

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Posted on December 19, 2007 at 06:35:55
TK421
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 This should probably be in the "Films" forum, but considering all the HDM discussion here, I just wanted to express my absolute astonishment at how amazing Blade Runner looks in high def. The remastered image has a slight green tinge throughout as colour timed by Ridley Scott himself. I have to say that it was the most powerful movie watching experience I have yet had at home.

I actually picked up the BD version instead of the HD DVD version this time (I usually pick up HD DVD versions from Warner), but according to all reviews of this title, they are visually identical.

Go get it!!!!!

 

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I'd forgotten how much I enjoyed this movie., posted on December 19, 2007 at 06:52:12
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 though I started to fall asleep before I got to the end (it was past my bedtime). Guess I'll need to start reading up on the differences between all the versions; otherwise, it'll take a while before I get around to watching every version in their entirety.

The price seemed a bit steep until you consider you get 3 HD media discs with several versions of the movie and 2 DVD disks.

 

RE: Blade Runner incredible in HD, posted on December 19, 2007 at 07:34:22
Jack G
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 Mine is out for delivery as we speak. There must have been a huge demand, since usually Amazon sends them out the Monday before. Mine didn't ship until yesterday. I'll watch it tonight. I'm psyched.
Jack

 

The BD (as well as HD DVD) versions were sold out at 2 local Best Buys last evening..., posted on December 19, 2007 at 08:34:35
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 ...much to my chagrin. (I had a $20 coupon all ready to redeem for this set.) It was obvious that both stores underestimated the demand for this title, as the even the DVD sets were already very low in stock by the time I got there after work.

Russell

 

I've never enjoyed it. Maybe I should give it another chance NT, posted on December 19, 2007 at 10:00:23
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I usually plan errands for lunchtime on Tuesdays...., posted on December 19, 2007 at 10:25:28
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 which includes a Best Buy run. This time it might have paid off.

 

Yes, especially since the 'final cut' has now been released. (nt), posted on December 19, 2007 at 11:24:18
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 nt

 

BLU-RAY DISC 5 - WRONG DISC!!!!, posted on December 19, 2007 at 11:25:49
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 This is being reported all over the web and at AVS: The Blu-ray Complete 5 disc edition could have a problem with Disc #5. Although the art work says it is the "Workprint" cut, some discs are in fact Disc #1, the "Final Cut". You can easily check to see if you have the wrong disc. The opening "Ladd Company" tree logo is green on the Final Cut and white on the "Workprint". If your disc 5 has a green tree, you've got the wrong disc.

Warner seems to have some serious Blu-ray quality control issues. First Harry Potter, now this.

There have been no reported issues with the HD DVD edition.

 

I took Russell's advice and picked it up. It was the last Blu-ray version at Target, posted on December 20, 2007 at 01:25:07
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 Guess what. Disc five was exactly what it was supposed to be: the blu-ray workprint disc. Maybe you should actually look into things a bit before you spread lies you read on AVS. You know, anyone can start false rumors online, but it takes a real pod to simply repeat them in all-caps without even attempting substantiation.
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Watched it last night, posted on December 20, 2007 at 04:55:25
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 Overall, an excellent job. Definitely a movie that benefits from HD. Tons of detail, tons of 3D Pop. Also, the Final Cut really is the best version.
This and Star Trek:TOS justify buying my A1, even if I were to buy nothing else. I was impressed.
Jack

 

Here ya go, posted on December 20, 2007 at 05:21:30
Jack G
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 You just don't learn do you? see link.
BTW, I doubt if this is your type of movie.
Jack

 

It's really film noir set in some dark dank future., posted on December 20, 2007 at 08:08:54
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 Needless to say, I liked it. I am partial to scifi, so I can never tell if anyone else is going to like it. I think eventually advances in genetics will render it forever cheesy, so you better hurry ;)

 

I learned by going out and buying a copy. It had no problems, posted on December 20, 2007 at 09:25:30
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 True, my sample size is one. But your sample size is zero. I just told you that that any idiot can start a rumor on the internet and spread it around. So what do you do? You spread the rumor again. Brilliant.

Even the endgadget geek publishing that article knew to put a question mark in the headline. Why? Because he has never actually seen any Blu-ray sets with a problem. Have you? Of course not.
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Why are you taking it so personally?, posted on December 20, 2007 at 09:45:55
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 Its not a reflection on BD, its a packaging mess up at Warner. Crap happens.

>>>I just told you that that any idiot can start a rumor<<<

Kind of like you kept saying Universal is going neutral soon?
Or when you said M$ gave Paramount a $150M check to sabotage HD?

Jack


 

Oh, I love the story, sets and camera work, posted on December 20, 2007 at 09:49:32
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 Dick is a good writer and "Do Androids Dream Electric Sheep" is a classic. Scott is one of my favorite of the bigshot hollywood directors. So I liked the sets, the somber tones and the way the shots were filmed and framed.

The pacing, acting and emotional (or lack thereof) impact of character interactions just gives me nothing to sink my teeth into. Ford in particular gives an insipid, disjointed performance in which he seems to overact even when he is underacting. Same with Hauer. Many of the action sequences appear amateur. I see why it's a cult classic, but step away and evaluate it and it's a real mess.

A coworker is a huge Blade Runner fan and when he expressed interest, I told him I'd sell him my BD set for $35, he started talking about upgrading his TV and buying a blu-ray player. That was easy...I didn't even have to "proselytize, cheerlead" or anything else the morons accuse me of doing. The fact is there is a fair amount of interest in Blu-ray, and for good reason.
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Why are you spreading lies on the internet?, posted on December 20, 2007 at 10:05:46
Jazz Inmate
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 When did I ever say "Universal is going neutral soon"?

I guess you can't stop at one lie so you have to start another.

As for MS giving Viacom $$$...I guess you missed the news.
Microsoft, Viacom Ink $500 Mil Ad Deal
December 19, 2007: 08:05 PM EST

Dec. 20, 2007 (Investor's Business Daily delivered by Newstex) --

Microsoft, a perennial also-ran to Google in online video, is flexing its financial muscle in a 5-year, $500 million advertising deal with media heavyweight Viacom.

This perfectly corroborates the initial reports of MS giving huge advertising dollars to Viacom in exchange for Paramount going HD DVD exclusive.
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Bit of a stretch, posted on December 20, 2007 at 10:19:01
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 >>>Dec. 20, 2007 (Investor's Business Daily delivered by Newstex) --<<<
That's a little later than the Paramount deal.

>>>This perfectly corroborates the initial reports of MS giving huge advertising dollars to Viacom in exchange for Paramount going HD DVD exclusive.<<<
Paranoid much?
Besides, you said they wrote Paramount a check for $150M. not the same.


Jack

 

Not really...the writing is all quite clear up on the wall. It's up to you if you want to ignore it NT, posted on December 20, 2007 at 10:26:24
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Rumors, posted on December 20, 2007 at 10:28:25
Jack G
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 Some quotes from your posts:

>>>Wouldn't be surprised if Universal goes "neutral" around the end of the year. <<<

This sure sounds like a rumor:

>>>The only one firmly in Microsoft's camp is Universal, but look for that to change over the next year. <<<

Jack

 

Spreading Lies??? An apology is in order!, posted on December 20, 2007 at 10:35:39
TK421
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 Even Bill Hunt at The Digital Bits has confirmed this issue.

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#mytwocents

Why would I spread lies? My 5th disc is the Final Cut. Why is this difficult for you to understand?



 

Yes, he owes you an apology (nt), posted on December 20, 2007 at 10:50:12
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If you can produce a shred of evidence that faulty BD sets actually exist, I'll be sure to apologize, posted on December 20, 2007 at 10:50:40
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 Note that you're continuing to indulge in rumors because Bill Hunt has NEVER observed a BD set with problems. All he says is the following:

"While we're talking Warner, be aware that a few readers are reporting that some copies of the 5-disc Blade Runner set mistakenly include two copies of Disc One instead of a Disc One and a Disc Five (the Workprint version). Be sure to check your copies after you purchase them."

So I have yet to see any evidence that there is a problem, and mind you the main reason I am skeptical is that I did purchase the BD set and there is no problem.
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http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=766, posted on December 20, 2007 at 11:05:50
TK421
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 I guess I'm just a plain liar and the disc I'm holding in my cold hands right now is just a figment of my imagination. Let's see - it says Disc 5 - Workprint. Let me put it in my PS3. Hmmm.... looks like the Final Cut to me. Out of the millions of copies out there, I guess I'm the only one with this problem...

 

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Warner/Technical_Glitches/Blade_Runner_Blu-ray_Suffers_Manufacturing_Gl, posted on December 20, 2007 at 11:17:13
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Manufacturing glitch?, posted on December 20, 2007 at 11:26:50
Jazz Inmate
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 Wow, Blade Runner must be seriously messed up. I must be the only one who got a good copy.

I'm so sorry I ever doubted you. You can clearly provide many links of people claiming other people claimed that someone claimed a problem was reported. It's very important to spread this information so no one buys the faulty Blu-rays.
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RE: Manufacturing glitch?, posted on December 20, 2007 at 11:32:26
TK421
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 You're an idiot.

 

RE: Manufacturing glitch?, posted on December 20, 2007 at 12:33:38
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 I may be an idiot, but at least I like to base my assertions on actual real information.

 

Dude, your dealing with someone who has no abiltiy to admit he is wrong., posted on December 20, 2007 at 13:44:12
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 You are wasting your time and the board's bandwidth. No matter how much proof, he cannot admit he is wrong. There are other threads on this topic in other forums for your amusment.
Don't bother. Psychopathology.

 

So you think it's accurate to post subject headers, "BLU-RAY DISC 5 WRONG DISC!!!", posted on December 20, 2007 at 14:06:25
Jazz Inmate
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 Even though more than 90% of shipped product is perfectly fine?

Gee, if I didn't know these blu-ray decriers any better, I'd say they were purposefully spreading misinformation about available product to discourage people from buying it. But they'd never do that!
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Found a copy at Amoeba SF today..., posted on December 20, 2007 at 14:18:06
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 There were 2 more copies as of noon. They also had one copy of the Ultimate (briefcase) edition.

Russell

 

HELLO?!?! I own the Blu-ray, not the HD DVD, posted on December 20, 2007 at 15:08:36
TK421
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 How many fricken times do I have to state that I own the bloody thing and it's the wrong disc? Can you read English? Does my very first post not state that I purchased the BD set?

My God, man. Are you dense?

 

Agreed, posted on December 20, 2007 at 15:17:40
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 All I wanted to do was express my excitement about the high-def Blade Runner release. But, when I popped Disc 5 into my player, I was totally pissed off that what was on the disc was not what was on the cover. I wanted to make sure that others checked their discs as well.

 

Yeah, I didn't realize that...I apologize, posted on December 20, 2007 at 16:03:22
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 I thought you said you got the HD DVD, but going back, I see you got the Blu-ray and that, in fact, your set had the problem. Sorry.
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Apology accepted. Also, Warner Brothers has contacted me., posted on December 20, 2007 at 16:27:08
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 Here is the email I just received from Warner Brothers in regards to this issue:

Dear Robert,

Your e-mail has been forwarded to me for reply.

Yes there is a defect in Disc #5 of the Blade Runner BD. We are in the process of having them re-done. Please provide me with your full address and phone number and we will be contacting you in the New Year.

Thank you for your patience in this matter and sorry for any inconvenience this may have caused you.

Regards,
Anna Longobardi
Customer Service Representative
Warner Bros. Entertainment Canada Inc.

 

Bummer. Again, it seems the majority of them are ok, though, posted on December 20, 2007 at 17:12:43
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 From the poll, only one of 18 people responding have that problem. The one guy was in Canada...maybe that has something to do with it?
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Looks like I got the right disc, posted on December 20, 2007 at 19:32:31
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 Although it does open with a Green tree on a white background, it does start to deviate from the "Final Cut". The only audio options I get are 5.1 DD movie audio tracks and a 2.0 Commentary on the workprint. No 5.1 TrueHD audio option unlike the "Final Cut" disk.

 

I've got the right disc as well. (Phew!) (nt), posted on December 20, 2007 at 22:08:56
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 nt

 

The number of respondents in an on-line video board poll isn't any indication either way., posted on December 20, 2007 at 23:32:09
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 A lot of folks will only watch the 1st disc and save the others to watch later on as time permits or go through them slowly, one at a time over a matter of days, until they reach disc 5 & realize that there's a problem.

Some folks may have purchased this set as a christmas gift for a friend or family member & be totally unaware of the problem. Even more folks who bought sets & aren't regulars on boards like this probably haven't been informed that a problem exists.

No one can say this early on from the number of respondents in an unscientific poll how deep the problem runs. It may be a few dozen, a few hundred, or a few thousand folks who received the wrong discs; perhaps more.

I'm not saying that this is a hyper-critical problem of earth-shattering proportions for Blu-ray owners, but like global warming, for some folks this may be one more inconvenient truth to be filed away for future reference. ;0)

AuPh

 

So your point is that it's unwise to buy into online claims without supporting evidence, posted on December 21, 2007 at 10:38:49
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 Good. That was my point from the beginning. You were just too slow to understand it until you could apply it in a way that worked against me.
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You're still off the point. An on-line poll of regulars on a given site isn't reflective..., posted on December 21, 2007 at 15:01:56
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 ... of the broader public impact. THAT is the point; this has nothing to do with claims made in respect to either format.

AuPh

 

Where would you go to poll blu-ray adopters about a recently-released BD?, posted on December 21, 2007 at 15:42:46
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 Blu-ray.com seems like a fairly obvious choice to me.

The broader issue, as I said, is that you shouldn't be so quick to spread claims that you can't verify.
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Perhaps you should reconsider your acceptance, posted on December 21, 2007 at 19:26:40
racerguy
 Duilawyer is right - Jazz Inmate is incapable of admitting he's wrong.

Here's what Jazz Inmate (Gremal) wrote on this subject, obviously referring to you, on Blu-ray.com yesterday.

Warner Brother Blunders "exploited by HD DVD fanatics"

It's significant to note that he did not retract this false statement even while issuing you an "apology" here. He then followed up his apology here with this post today. He may have typed the words "I apologize," but it's clear he didn't mean it in the slightest.

The word "disingenous" comes to mind.

 

Why am I not surprised?, posted on December 22, 2007 at 06:24:38
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 >>>The word "disingenous" comes to mind.<<<
The word "paranoid" comes to mind too.
Talk about spreading lies and rumors over the internet.
Jack

 

Gotta say, it looked great on a fifty-foot screen last week., posted on December 22, 2007 at 10:22:25
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 'Course that was in a theatre, with a fresh 35mm print. Talk about high-def!

clark

 

"...you shouldn't be so quick to spread claims that you can't verify." - You should follow your own council., posted on December 22, 2007 at 10:23:32
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;^D

 

Blu-ray's superior capacity is verifiable NT, posted on December 27, 2007 at 10:17:16
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"...verifiable" - Well, so is water on Mars, ..., posted on December 27, 2007 at 11:09:57
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 ...but in practical terms if you can't see it or access it and rarely (if ever) use it, then of what value is such a revelation to the consumer except perhaps as bragging rights for technology wonks? ;0)

Food for thought.

AuPh

 

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