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film ever made! This is just one scene of many that prove the point... Vivien Leigh was nothing short of breathtaking and Gable fit Rhett's skin like a glove.....
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The South shall rise again. This film lives in the heart of the Southern socialite and is mother of all pretentions. I'm surprised it's not been banned.
I don't know nothing bout birthin no babies.
"To Learn Who Rules Over You, Simply Find Out Who You Are Not Allowed to Criticize."
-Voltaire
It's America's favorite novel, BTW, according to the "Great American Read" survey done by PBS. The other was "To Kill a Mockingbird." Both set in the South, both by one-book female authors.
The movie is still at the top of my top five, which are:
1) GWTW
2) Citizen Kane
3) Lawrence of Arabia
4) Breakfast at Tiffany's
5) Rear Window
for Citizen Kane OR Breakfast At Tiffany's (much as I love A. Hepburn). I feel the same way about Casablanca.. For me Bogart and Bergman have all the sex appeal of a couple of wet noodles! Rear Window IMO was Hitchcock at his finest and LOA was Lean at his best.. though Dr.Z and Bridge OTRK come mighty close...
they're working on statues and paintings currently....
Complete and utter nonsense.
Guess your'e not paying much attention...
The painting should remain and an explanation of the artist intent, to show the brutality and genocide of a people to open the west to settlers, be placed if front of it.
"Trying is the first step towards failure."
Homer Simpson
there are certain factions of the public that are trying to re-write history... Taking down statues that THEY find offensive and taking down flags that THEY find offensive. The point of history is to LEARN from it NOT erase it! You might find the attached link interesting.... another 20 years, and the U.S. will be RIGHT where the UK is right now....the above actions are just the beginning and starting point...
was when the U.S. government let the Daughters of the Confederacy write the history books for schools all over the country framing the confederacy and the civil war as a noble cause and not the lost cause of secession and continuation of slavery that it was.
"Trying is the first step towards failure."
Homer Simpson
I was reared and educated in the North, and received a North Eastern version of a victor's guide to history: The Civil War was about ending slavery.
I discovered the other side of the story upon attending college (and relocating) in the south. I discovered that the CW as the last battle of the Constitution. Were we to be a confederation of sovereign states, and a comparatively weak Federal Govt, or were we to become a Federal nation, with member states. As sovereign states, each state can decide to participate, or not. As a Federal nation, each state is compelled by force to participate. The single greatest expansion of Federal power occurred during the CW, as Lincoln essentially became a dictator in order to preserve the Union.
Slavery was an issue, but not the root cause for the North to prosecute the war. As always it was about money and power.
A deeper investigation would lead one to investigate the roles of export markets, tariffs, duties, excise taxes, agrarian vs industrial economies, and representation in Congress.
NT
None of what you say alters the truth in what he said about the Daughters and the rewrite of textbooks. That is fact.
It is true that the war was about more than slavery and I don't disagree with the litany of causes you mention.
Right! Since when does the loser get to write their history?
"Trying is the first step towards failure."
Homer Simpson
We've had to endure 3+ years of someone giving excuses in perpetuity as to why they lost... so the tradition continues.....
Find another axe to grind. You're sounding like a whiner.
facts Sonodik...
You're wasting your time. The truth is lost on some people. They can't handle it.
That stuff should be in museums rather than in everyone's face.
Given that our exchange violates forum rules regarding political discussions it's safe to assume that this conversation will soon be obliterated. Until then I'll say this: When you talk about Liberals, or any other group for that matter, you need to be more careful about painting all members of that group with the same brush. And if you think removal of those statues is about re-writing history, you've completely missed the point.
This liberal has enjoyed the film sine I few saw it in 1969. Not my favorite, that's Casablanca, but I sure like it.
-Wendell
You might enjoy broadening your prospective.
It was a prize winning movie, but greatest ever is a big statement. I prefer comedies myself, and have enjoyed many films that I consider equal or better than your choice.
the first one that comes to mind is a film with gable, "it happened one night" , I think it just as good , just older. Or now that I am thinking of black and white movies, the great classic, the grand illusion , although silent, is easily a top film.
i don't quarrel your personal opinion, but there are so many great movies out there, selecting this one suggests you favor old hollywood big production stuff in technicolor. fine with me, but your statement is much like selecting the best book or best sculptor ever made.
and entertain it does. Have rarely seen it straight through, but it holds up well 80 years on.
Great writing, and while the pyrotechnics are carried by Leigh and Gable, also inspired performances by de Havilland, Hattie McDaniel (first black Oscar) and Butterfly McQueen. Accurately reflects racism of the day, both 1800's and 1930's Hollywood, so a 'period' piece in that sense.
Classic Hollywood Americana.
K
I'd be on the same train as you; how can anything be "the best"? But best in his opinion as he stated, all good.
I've actually never seen the movie, it's not my taste TBH. One day I should.
and then in a moment of weakness I relented and was SO glad that I did! The performances, cinematography, music, costumes, direction is ALL outstanding and first rate! IMO it holds up well to anything that has come out of Hollywood in recent memory. I'm hoping that Sony for the 80th anniversary will release it into the theaters as I have never seen it on the big screen and would like to do so in my lifetime....
Let's see, I'm 55, maybe better soon. And will likely appreciate it more being, uh, older.
I wouldn't stress about missing this one,
It's kind of long, plus a lot of it is about how sexy gable is, he was a big deal at the time, and , as you know, was a movie star of great and singular success. This movie is not top shelf in what it does, it's no Ben Hur, but not bad enough to be enjoyed by those who enjoy crap movies.
About like watching a western of that time, in the reality it paints, but with the gunfights replaced with drama. Gable isn't in the drawing room scenes, he is cast as a daring sea captain who has become so wealthy running the union war blockades, "polite society" is obligated to invite him to there parties. For a ship's captain, he spends a whole lot of time on land
(This paragraph is a plot discussion spoiler) So he sees the bell of the ball, pries her away from her white-bread boy friend, then she gets dumped because she turned out to be too stuck up to get serious about.
Gable, he's the guy who, when he took off his shirt in 'it happened one night," and wasn't wearing an undershirt, killed undershirt sales across the country. Guys just stopped wearing them. They never did make it all the way back, now they are called "wife beaters" ( I use a "T" shirt if I need an undershirt)
God knows how much money gable was getting at that time, I certainly wouldn't know.
I can say he was farmed out from his studio @ $2,500 a week to do the film , "It happened one night*," back in the thirties, because they had nothing for him at the time, and made $500 a week profit on the deal. The gossip magazines of the day played it as punishment from the studio. If you want to sell a male sex role, he is your guy.
So they cast an unknown actress against gable, probably to keep costs down, I would guess, it was already going to be an expensive film, lot's of big staging , and costumed extras. PLayed it up in national magazines as a big nationwide hunt for a Hollywood star, and it went over big. I was just a kid in grade school and heard about it. They came up with a real nice actress, who sustained a star career .
It won some academy awards, but it was so very good for the industry, and was very popular, it had to get something, the Hollywood ending.
I would suggest it only for curiosities sake. Boy gets girl, boy sees girl is superficial while contesting for girl, boy , well, you might have heard. They said "Damn" in a studio american movie for the first time. That's your pay off., and it's a long way to get to it.
Go for hell's angels with gene Harlow if you want star power and action. no digital in those crashes. The acting is still the old type where the entire body is used, but it is very effective even if seen as overly dramatic compared to the style today.
Or see hell's angels with fonda, dennis hopper,or whoever, that one might also be more fun, and I haven't even seen it.
* one of only three pictures to win the big five of the oscars, best picture, director, actress, actor, and screenplay.
Actually, David O.Selznick considered pairing Vivien Leigh with her then-spouse Laurence Olivier. They did a screen test together, and Olivier simply overwhelmed her. So they went with Gable, but probably not to save $$$.
her to play the Mrs. DeWinter role in Rebecca but Hitchcock prevailed as certainly Vivien was FAR too beautiful to play the "mousey" second Mrs. DeWinter. Vivien would have been better suited to Rebecca herself IF such a role existed.... As far as GWTW goes, Ms. Leigh told everyone she knew that she WOULD be cast and she was.... I can't think of anyone else in both of those key roles. I believe when the book came out, the public had already made it's voice known that the only Rhett they would accept was Gable. They both were perfection... The only weak piece of casting in the film IMO was Ashley... I have NEVER been able to understand why Scarlett would prefer Ashley to Rhett and I believe it was due to the casting of Leslie Howard. If say Randolph Scott had been cast instead, THEN you might see more of a competition between the two male characters....
Thanks for the insight, all this time I just figured the lead really was an actress that they dragged in from the sticks.
But then I also knew giving a part like that to an untested lead would be the start of a fight few could win.
I enjoy knowing the stories surrounding the movies, just not enough to go research them.
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