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In Reply to: RE: Well said.. posted by Bill the K on February 11, 2020 at 03:03:02
With the vast majority of Korean flicks that I've seen, there is a lot of death. Sometimes just a lot of pain and suffering, but usually death. Lots of it. Even the Rom-Coms. I watched a lot during the 90s-2000s. This was standard for them.
Jack
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I have no problem with violence in films but here I didn't really buy into Father Kim's attack on father Park. Yes Park made comments about Kim having a smell (the smell of poverty) but the Park's were not in their face about it and if the Kim's hadn't been "parasites" and eavesdropping they were private conversations.
I don't necessarily think movies have to have any likeable characters but generally I think a film like this does need someone with which to follow and Parasite doesn't really have one.
Joker is similarly a class warfare film with a similar social commentary about the rich Wayne family and Arthur Fleck living with his mom in a ratty ole building borderline functioning with government provided medications and counselling. Arthur Fleck - isn't particularly likeable but he is pitiable. He is human. Whereas the characters in Parasite are there to fit archetypes.
I generally prefer movies where I have characters I get involved with in some fashion and if those characters are drawn well I will probably like the movie even if it has a bunch of other problems.
I didn't really care for the characters either. I also thought it was a bit odd that father Kim attacked father Park.
Overall, I thought it was a decent movie, kind of a generic Korean movie.
I suspect it won the Oscars at least partly because it was fairly unique by American standards.
Jack
I don't believe it was intended that we like or even identify with the characters...anti-characters maybe. Every one of them seemed to embrace a deadly sin or two and that could hit close to personal home. Also, in hindsight, I don't find it odd at all that Mr. Kim attacked Mr. Park. The tension betw them began at their first meeting and increased with every encounter. In every encounter, Mr. Park found some subtle even subconscious opportunity to demean Mr. Kim and people like him and Mr. Kim responded with subtle jabs at Parks personal integrity and social standing...the frequently referred to "crossing-the-line". Mr. Kim snaps in the scene where Park is instructing him an how to stage the birthday party Indian raid.
Overall, clever, different and entertaining but not "best picture" material IMO.
I think the makers of Parasite consider themselves to be Tarantinos. They claim they learned from him. They do not realise that Tarantino's is artful violence to duplicate which 0ne needs to be more talented. Cannot getaway with raw crappy violence. But then I don't know how many of the Oscar voters are knowledgeable enough to distinguish the two.
Regards
Bill
I can't disagree but then I am a Tarantino Fan - and I remembered sitting in the theater watching Pulp Fiction and fell out of my chair with laughter when Vincent's gun accidentally goes off and blows the guy in the backseat's brains out.
I remember thinking - wow this film is making me laugh at horrific things and making me like two scuzzball lead characters. This is more artful writing - where you like pretty much everyone in the movie in spite of their failings at humanity.
That was 1994 and I can safely say that I have not seen a better Oscar winning film (or a nominee) since then that I have liked more. And it's easy to watch over and over again.
Yes. I have had many gentle South Korean friends but never saw a movie.Well, the Japanese the very polite and gentle guys can produce all those Samurai flicks and even go to war.
Bill
It does take some getting used to. Especially since guns aren't embedded into their culture like in the US, they tend to be especially creative as to the weapons used.
Parasite was not nearly as *intense* as some other Korean movies I've seen.
Jack
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