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I do not think it deserves the two Oscars. Surrealistic with some magic realism. I have seen so many better movies with a similar theme in languages like Portugese, Spanish, Hindi, Bengali, Italian. They do not get as good a publicity. And they have better music than some extracts of Opera that the Koreans are used to.And I think the Oscar guys do not care for the world outside their circle.
Bill
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All the other "Oscar contenders" for best film we saw (most) were overall more enjoyable and easily as well done.
Didn't think the opportunistic Kim clan were particularly likable scoundrels and that the the haves/have nots class distinctions were very muddled.
There was as much Blake Edwards' silliness as Scorsese somberness (and minutes tick, tick, ticking...).
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
This was a "typical" well-done SK film. Nothing so special. I was forced to see it in IMAX which is overkill for this type of film. If 'Parasite' got best picture, then SK should get it every year.
I think the Academy didn't want to give BP to Tarintino or Joker.
First off, Bong Joon Ho is no one-shot director. His "Memories of Murder" is far superior to the oft-lauded, David Fincher-helmed, "Zodiac." Simply put, it's the best of modern true crime films. And it's scary as hell.
"Mother" is an examination of love: to what lengths will people go to protect family? The lead actor strongly deserved an Oscar.
"Snowpiercer:" easily the most entertaining and fun (though, of course, with Bong's social/allegorical sense present) of blockbuster entertainment.
"The Host:" a thinking man's monster film with, again, a lot of political/social implications--- but never intrusive or detracting from the sheer pleasures of the genre. The actors uniformly are excellent in Bong's films, with many faces recurring from film to film.
"Parasite" left me cold the first viewing, but upon the second one, I appreciated the zaniness--- he created a world and his characters were true to it. Brilliant writing, sensational acting. "The young, meanwhile, have largely given up hope of ever affording their own home. Buying property in Seoul takes about 13.4 years' worth of income, compared with 5.7 times in New York and 4.8 times in even Tokyo." Wash Post
Nothing so dramatic, actually. Now, however, I'm living the dream in KC...
of the Native-American leadership. I mean, who isn't a Mahomes fan?
Good to see you back. I enjoy your movie comments.
KC has been evolving pretty steadily for some time and there are lots of local breweries. Not the IPA treasure trove that the NW is, but there are good brewers here. Food? It's a little lard-driven, but there are exceptions and the trend is to lighter fare. Bacon, heavy gravy, and fried foods still dominate, though. Glad to hear from ya (goin' all Midwest, for sure).
a buddy of mine from college visited Germany and came back with the hare brained scheme to start a brewery. I was invited to invest, but I had no money back then, and it seemed risky to boot. Now it is a true KC success story and well worth visiting the brewery for a tour if you have not done so.
visited the brewery, yet, but have fallen deeply into love with Tank 7. Will visit when time permits--- probably best to Lyft to it...
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Bong's problem is trying to push his "message" and symbolism often at the expense of the grand cinematic storytelling and joyful entertainment.
Thus I found Parasite rather boring...
For entertaining Korean cinematic experience, I prefer:
The Yellow Sea
The Chaser
Man From Nowhere
I Saw Devil
Oldboy
My Sassy Girl
The Wailing
Architecture 101
A Moment To Remember
New World
A Bittersweet Life
Sunny
SPRING, SUMMER, FALL, WINTER...- AND SPRING
That stabbing scene in Parasite isn't the sort of thing I want to watch.
I've seen some on that list.
Good movies.
Jack
All the major awards went to the predicted favorites. Maybe the members decided to be unpredictable on the director and best film awards? I thought their previous love for war films would make 1917 their majority pick.
and it lost Best Picture to that POS Shakespeare In Love! Which BTW I just read the other day that SIL won Best Pic. because Harvey POS Weinstein campaigned so hard for it! I guess he had alot of Hollywood by the balls!
Weinstein was the most powerful man in Hollywood. He was a dogged promoter and flooded the trades with film ads during their candidate evaluation period.
As we now know, he made and broke actors careers as well. Good riddance.
But have always had a great appreciation for their film. They are so Americanized (in a good way) compared to what Asia has to offer. Sure, they lean towards violence, death, or class warfare but it's all good.(For great class-warfare, check 'The House Maid'.)
Edits: 02/23/20
I was a little surprised, but not terribly.
It struck me as (mostly) a typical Korean flick. Well done, good production values, but not as intense as others.
I knew going in, that people would die, I just didn't know who or how.
The wife was kind of Meh about it.
Jack
...I'm OK with that. As I stated below, very clever, entertaining, trans genre and dark. And its subject, class distinctions and class "warfare" is both topical and resonates deeply with advertised Hollywood sentiments (incongruously). Will be interesting to watch how it ages.
Indian movies. The palatial houses of the rich and the slums where their 'servants' live. The poor of Parasite are not comparable. These guys have a basement to live, some food to eat, clothes and even smart phones.They can even sit with the rich. They go to school! not rag picking.The Koreans are not poor. See the movie Slumdog Millionaire for real poverty.
Bill
And the thing I noted earlier - Koreans in this film had the opportunities - schools exist they are free - and you can work hard and legitimately make something of yourself. But the Kim family are lazy thugs who do not work hard and instead are a crime family out to steal everything.
As I said - this is a big problem as the foundation of this film because I leave not liking anyone on the Kim family. So I found myself liking the Park's more - not that I liked them either but the goal of a class warfare film tends to be that you root for the lower class. I liked a lot of it mind you - I did find it funny and even clever how the Kim's essentially moved their whole family into the unsuspecting Parks - and it had a Tarantino-esque subplot about the couple in the basement so I still walked away liking the movie a fair bit - but I don't think it was the best out of the lot. 1917 while a safe best picture winner I would have been fine with.
BUT, I have said that 1917 needs to be seen on the big screen - like Gravity - to truly appreciate the visual effects of this movie and the long single shots. BUT most Hollywood voters get sent screeners to see at home on a portable bluray player or on their home screens.
And when you take that film's strongest attribute away from it, it perhaps has to rely more on its not that strong plot-line. IE; Parasite probably plays better on the small screen. 1917 was my fourth favorite of the lot.
Perhaps I'll watch them a second time to see how I feel.
I still say Jojo Rabbit would have been the most daring and best choice out of the lot. I know in 5 years and again at 10years I'll be happy to watch Jojo Rabbit again. I doubt I can say that about 1917 or Parasite.
You are on the dot in your observations. I also liked the Parks. There is nothing wrong with them. Being rich is not a crime.
When all that violence started I felt a little discomfort in the chest. I thought Wow my fate to end it all watching this movie! Then I felt heartburn and I realised it was Reflux. Consequently the movie left a bad taste in the mouth.
Regards
Bill
With the vast majority of Korean flicks that I've seen, there is a lot of death. Sometimes just a lot of pain and suffering, but usually death. Lots of it. Even the Rom-Coms. I watched a lot during the 90s-2000s. This was standard for them.
Jack
Spoiler alert
I have no problem with violence in films but here I didn't really buy into Father Kim's attack on father Park. Yes Park made comments about Kim having a smell (the smell of poverty) but the Park's were not in their face about it and if the Kim's hadn't been "parasites" and eavesdropping they were private conversations.
I don't necessarily think movies have to have any likeable characters but generally I think a film like this does need someone with which to follow and Parasite doesn't really have one.
Joker is similarly a class warfare film with a similar social commentary about the rich Wayne family and Arthur Fleck living with his mom in a ratty ole building borderline functioning with government provided medications and counselling. Arthur Fleck - isn't particularly likeable but he is pitiable. He is human. Whereas the characters in Parasite are there to fit archetypes.
I generally prefer movies where I have characters I get involved with in some fashion and if those characters are drawn well I will probably like the movie even if it has a bunch of other problems.
I didn't really care for the characters either. I also thought it was a bit odd that father Kim attacked father Park.
Overall, I thought it was a decent movie, kind of a generic Korean movie.
I suspect it won the Oscars at least partly because it was fairly unique by American standards.
Jack
I don't believe it was intended that we like or even identify with the characters...anti-characters maybe. Every one of them seemed to embrace a deadly sin or two and that could hit close to personal home. Also, in hindsight, I don't find it odd at all that Mr. Kim attacked Mr. Park. The tension betw them began at their first meeting and increased with every encounter. In every encounter, Mr. Park found some subtle even subconscious opportunity to demean Mr. Kim and people like him and Mr. Kim responded with subtle jabs at Parks personal integrity and social standing...the frequently referred to "crossing-the-line". Mr. Kim snaps in the scene where Park is instructing him an how to stage the birthday party Indian raid.
Overall, clever, different and entertaining but not "best picture" material IMO.
I think the makers of Parasite consider themselves to be Tarantinos. They claim they learned from him. They do not realise that Tarantino's is artful violence to duplicate which 0ne needs to be more talented. Cannot getaway with raw crappy violence. But then I don't know how many of the Oscar voters are knowledgeable enough to distinguish the two.
Regards
Bill
I can't disagree but then I am a Tarantino Fan - and I remembered sitting in the theater watching Pulp Fiction and fell out of my chair with laughter when Vincent's gun accidentally goes off and blows the guy in the backseat's brains out.
I remember thinking - wow this film is making me laugh at horrific things and making me like two scuzzball lead characters. This is more artful writing - where you like pretty much everyone in the movie in spite of their failings at humanity.
That was 1994 and I can safely say that I have not seen a better Oscar winning film (or a nominee) since then that I have liked more. And it's easy to watch over and over again.
Yes. I have had many gentle South Korean friends but never saw a movie.Well, the Japanese the very polite and gentle guys can produce all those Samurai flicks and even go to war.
Bill
It does take some getting used to. Especially since guns aren't embedded into their culture like in the US, they tend to be especially creative as to the weapons used.
Parasite was not nearly as *intense* as some other Korean movies I've seen.
Jack
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